DAT-heads Digest #806

Contents:
  ISO Tapers for upcoming Bright Eyes shows ("DEVIANT")
  Digital is not invincible, but better (Keith Bode)
  Extra DATs F/T ("Digit")
  Springsteen ticket available for 7/21/03  (Dave M)
  Re: Springsteen ticket available for 7/21/03 (Dave M)
  RE: Artist reimbursement ("Larry Narachi")
  Springsteen Tapers ("pam marki")
  repost: fs: minime (Scott C. Brown 02)
  porcupine tree in philly ("Slipkid")
  Neil Young @ MSG 6/26/03 (Philip Dinhofer)
  ISO - B&P deals please... ("Adam Ryan")
  ISO: Kate Wolf festival, Rosanne Cash '03 (David Danek)
  Re: Artist reimbursement (JBABC0CK@aol.com)
  WIndscreen ? /// DA-302 ? /// 07/18/03 DDBB, NMAS tapers? /// BWT (Richard)
  FS: AKG 480's ck63 (hypercard caps) matched pair / Sony PCM-M1 dat deck (Brian L Beggs)


From: "DEVIANT" <deviant@frontiernet.net>
Subject: ISO Tapers for upcoming Bright Eyes shows
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:37:22 -0500

Bright Eyes are doing a small US Tour before going to Europe. If anyone
would be willing to tape them, I could come up with some way of helping out.
I will be taping the Minneapolis show. They are taper friendly.

Here are the US dates.

07.29 Tue.Minneapolis, MN 400 Bar
07.30 Wed.Chicago, IL Abbey Pub
07.31 Thu.Bloomington, IN Bluebird Nightclub
08.01 Fri.Columbus, OH Newport Music Hall
08.02 Sat.Pittsburgh, PA Club Laga

Please contact me off list at deviant@frontiernet.net if you would be
available to tape them. They are a great live act and once you see them you
will know why.

Thanks!

Joel




From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Digital is not invincible, but better
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:51:11 -0700

>
>
>From: "robert t" <jahjah55@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Digital is not invincible, but better
>Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 08:27:33 -0400
>
>  
>
>>>From: Rick Barnett <analog414@comcast.net>
>>>Subject: Digital is not invinsible
>>>Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:45:33 -0500
>>>
>>>  All digital media....DAT, CD, or any other looses musical information
>>>with each play. I play CD's all the time after a fresh burn and after
>>>10, 15 plays it is not the same as the first few plays. They all
>>>degrade.
>>>                   Rick
>>    
>>
>
>You need to have your ears checked!  I think you may be losing some hearing. 
>  Digital media is a serious of 1's 0's and it's information remains the 
>same unless it's corrupted by not being able to read back the information 
>correctly.  Say like DAT heads that can't read the tape because it's been 
>mangled or it's lost it's magnetic properties.  Or a CD that can't be read 
>because you scratched it up.
>
>Now I'll give you that a DAT can wear out over time with each play, but that 
>would have to be one heavily played tape.  But CDs and CD-Rs (after burned) 
>become an optical media so unlike a vinyl records there is not physical 
>touch to playback the disc.  They don't degrade in sound quality as a tape 
>would because of how often you play it.  They may however lose information 
>and skip, if you don't treat them with proper care.  But the sound quality 
>remains the same as long as the 1's and 0's can be read back properly.
>
>Your's degrade after 10 plays, sounds like cheap CD-Rs and they're losing 
>their reflective properties.  I think the reflective layer is breaking down 
>because it's cheap and over time it's just getting worse.  But it's got 
>nothing to do with how many times you played it.  It's an optical reading 
>unlike vinyl which does degrade with every play because of the physical 
>touch.  If you're CD-Rs don't sound exactly the same as the day recorded ( 
>and you took proper care of them, no scratches, no fingerprints, etc.)  the 
>problem isn't the discs but in your head.
>

After burning and listening to CD's as my main music soource, Listening 
for almost 20 years, and burnig for 6 or so years, of late,I woould 
rather listen to Pristee analog sourced music, than digital.  I record 
LP's to tape in the first couple of plays.  Analog tape has about the 
same wear as DAT, only it costs a lot more.  A 2500' reel will play for 
4 hours, bi-directonally, and a reel like that of 1/4" Quantegy 456 tape 
is about $20.  I figure if the tape is good enoug to have mastered more 
recordimgs than any other media in history, it ouoght be god enoough for 
me to listen to.  Digital mastering, and CD's are IMO a hoax pulled of 
by the recording industry on the music buying public. I've seen big 
Studer desktp mastering decks, 24 or 32 channels go for $15,000, used.  
A new 24 track digital recorder costs 20% of the price of a new Studer.  
CDs are far cheaper to produce than LP.'  I won't deal with carved up 
dead vinyl, there is new premium grade vinyl, and it just completely 
dusts CD's.  A year ago I didn't believe this.  I thought CD's were the 
be all, end all of the music sales hill.  Not any more.

I agree with robert.  A given cd shoould not be sounding worse after  5 
plays.  it sounds like ther is a judgement problem in the purchasing.  
Both a DAT and  analog tape will lose metal particles and degrade with 
play.  not great changes over several weeks, but it will be noticable 
with time.

BTW, I still have 2 DAT deck, and 3 CD burners.

keith





From: "Digit" <digit@redwing.net>
Subject: Extra DATs F/T
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:12:29 -0500

Looking to part with these extra DATs that I have transferred to CD and/or
have been parts of trades which previously fell through. Would prefer to
trade for CD-Rs. Please send list along with wants. Thanks! Dave

Bob Marley Exodus Demo & 1st Island Session
Bob Marley Montego Bay 7/7/79 & Demos
Bob Dylan Philharmonic, NYC 10/31/64
Neil Young Alpine Valley 8/2/97
SRV Berkeley '85 & Emmylou Chicago '79
Dead Spectrum 9/21/72
Dead Fillmore West 8/22/68
Garcia/Saunders 2/6/72





From: Dave M <mclellan@superlink.net>
Subject: Springsteen ticket available for 7/21/03 
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:06:02 -0400

Nice taping ticket available in floor section 6 Row 2, near section 7 
for tomorrow night's show.
Face value...of coarse.
Dave




From: Dave M <mclellan@superlink.net>
Subject: Re: Springsteen ticket available for 7/21/03
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:09:13 -0400

please reply off-list to:
mclellan@superlink.net
Thanx for the bandwidth,
Dave




From: "Larry Narachi" <lnarachi@narachi.com>
Subject: RE: Artist reimbursement
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:21:33 -0700


Neal Copperman <neal@swcp.com> wrote :
>In an age of iTunes and Paypal, it seemed to me that it should be
>possible to actually directly pay artists some amount of money for
>their live recordings.  I've been toying with the idea of trying to
>send $3 to $5 to independent artists that are easy to contact
>whenever I acquire a live performance recording.  It seems only fair
>that they should get some compensation for the music I get to enjoy.

>Has anyone ever tried doing that?  I'm not totally convinced it would
>work well.  I'm leary of running afoul of an artist who hates taping.
>I'm not sure I can extract info from people on how to send them
>money.  And probably other things I haven't thought about.

Here's one reason that came to my mind....

The fact that this is "free" - deal - i.e. - we don't charge others for
copies,
the bands don't charge us money to tape, etc keeps this pure and
untouchable.

Nobody can sue us, as we aren't it for the money..nor are the traders or
collectors.

Its all about spreading the historical incident of that live show....

Once you add a fee to it, then its pay to record? how much?
Which artists can demand it? Then you will ALWAYS have the taper who will
stealth it
and we will still have the "free distribution" and the "for-PAY"
distribution.

I'll bet some of us strip the pay here info and redistribute it freely
anyway.
I do this to bootlegs all the time....if ANYONE should get money, it should
be artist.
That point I will agree....

I would be for a band putting a paypal account for 'whatever'.
AND as long as it is in the spirit of "shareware" - that would be a FINE
IDEA...
That way, if you felt you had to throw a few bucks for the show, then you
could.
Other fans could throw money in there for whatever - a gas fund, new
instruments
a light equipment improvement/upgrade...the possibilities here are endless
and would help the bands.

If the bands wish to monetize it, as some have (Phish, SCI, Kimock, The
Dead) then you hire someone to make
a professional recording of that show, (While, ideally still allowing the
same taper access) and sell
that product - multitrack, sbd and mic matrix, etc....give us an easy d/l or
professionally duplicated
product with pictures, etc...There is your 'money for the band'....

Lets not introduce money into our hobby, the fact that is free is what has
helped it along.

Interested in hearing others perspective on this.

~ Taperachi






From: "pam marki" <pmarki@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Springsteen Tapers
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:40:19 -0400

Does anyone need good floor seats for Bruce in Pitt., PA 8/6/03 PNC Stadium?
E-mail me ....
jdm331/3




From: Scott.C.Brown.02@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG (Scott C. Brown 02)
Subject: repost: fs: minime
Reply-To: scb02@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG
Date: 20 Jul 2003 19:16:21 EDT

rev c, black case, used 10-15 times.  includes original box, manual, carrying
case

1075 and it's yours

scott



From: "Slipkid" <slipkid@voicenet.com>
Subject: porcupine tree in philly
Reply-To: "Slipkid" <slipkid@voicenet.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:53:46 -0400

i taped PORCUPINE TREE in philly tonight but missed the 1st 20 minutes or
so; what i did hear was phenomenal!  but i'd like to hear what i missed -
anyone else tape them tonight at the TROC?

also interested in trading for other shows on this USA tour, loads to trade,
thanks,

- jon -

slipkid@voicenet.com






From: Philip Dinhofer <philipdinhofer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Neil Young @ MSG 6/26/03
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 04:54:52 -0700 (PDT)

Source info.

Schoeps CCM4's > Bill Box > Sony PCM-M1

Transferred to a computer dedicated to music only via
Lynx One, XLR equipped sound card > Sound Forge > CD
Architect.

Made from 28th Row of Floor - FOB - dead on to the
center line.

In the opinion of several who have heard this, it is
amongst the best recordings of the tour thus far.

Here is the link.

http://digipatch.no-ip.org/ny2003-0...26.shnf.torrent

Enjoy!!!

PhilD


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From: "Adam Ryan" <stunt_show23@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO - B&P deals please...
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:32:48 +1000

Hi there,

I wish to get involved with live music trading - I am in Australia.  The 
only person who replied to an earlier (less detailed) post I made on this 
topic a couple of weeks ago has still not got back to me with any further 
information - hence this follow-up to all.

As a complete newbie, I will have to rely on some kind folk out there to do 
some B&P deals with me.  If you are willing to B&P for any of the following 
bands / artists, please drop me a line.  I would LOVE to hear from you and 
start my own collection:

Audioslave
Ben Christophers
Ben Lee
Death Cab for Cutie / The Postal Service
Dismemberment Plan
Grandaddy
Guster
I am Kloot
Jeff Buckley
Neutral Milk Hotel
Pearl Jam
Richard Ashcroft
Something for Kate / Paul Dempsey
The Bens
The Coral
The Mars Volta
The Music
The Watchmen

Thanks for the space...

Kind regards,

stunt_show

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From: David Danek <hobbes4444@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: Kate Wolf festival, Rosanne Cash '03
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 08:58:41 -0700 (PDT)

Anyone out there happen to catch the Kate Wolf festival a couple of
weeks back?  Looking for a couple of sets (Mary Chapin Carpenter w/
Shawn Colvin guesting &, The Waifs) from the in house FM, or nice
audies. . .  Also looking for Rosanne Cash's shows at the Fillmore,
Amoeba in-store, and Montalvo (w/Dar Williams and The Waifs!) from
this past weekend.  Missed her cuz of a sick baby . . .

Thanks,
Dave

BWT: 2 random Springsteen 7/15/03 (3 cd) Source: DPA (B&K) 4022s >
Sound Devices MP-2 > Sony D100 left edge of GA pit; DAT > SHN: Tascam
DA-20mkii > Emagic EMI 2|6 > Apple PowerBookG4 > Spark LE Plus 2.8 >
Peak 3.2 (normalize) > shntool 1.2.3 > shorten 3.5.1 . . . Thanks to
SB for sharing a sweet recording!!

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From: JBABC0CK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Artist reimbursement
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:32:15 -0400

I would say that your initial trepidation is probably a safe bet.
While you might want to find out how to contact small artists or their management to send them copies of your tapes, trying to send them money will probably just get you (or someone: the venue, the artist, the management, etc.) into trouble down the line.

If you are inclined to give them more money than just the cost of the ticket, most artists sell product after the show. Buy copies of their CDs dircetly from them and cut out the middle man. That's the best thing you can do for an artist on the road is put money in their pocket. Later when you have listened to the tape you can (hopefully) hunt down their PO Box from their website and send them the tape with more praise and adulation.

My 2¢, anyway.

j



<<From: Neal Copperman <neal@swcp.com>
Subject: Artist reimbursement
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:03:52 -0600


In an age of iTunes and Paypal, it seemed to me that it should be
possible to actually directly pay artists some amount of money for
their live recordings.  I've been toying with the idea of trying to
send $3 to $5 to independent artists that are easy to contact
whenever I acquire a live performance recording.  It seems only fair
that they should get some compensation for the music I get to enjoy.

Has anyone ever tried doing that?  I'm not totally convinced it would
work well.  I'm leary of running afoul of an artist who hates taping.
I'm not sure I can extract info from people on how to send them
money.  And probably other things I haven't thought about.

Thoughts?

neal
_______





From: Richard <wehideandseek@yahoo.com>
Subject: WIndscreen ? /// DA-302 ? /// 07/18/03 DDBB, NMAS tapers? /// BWT
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:59:52 -0700 (PDT)

Namaste Y'all!
looking to upgrade my windscreen for my Gefell
300's...interested in high end Ryokote [sp?] or others
as my DPA's aren't cutting it....
Also still in need of a reply to whether or not my 302
can show me the date a DAT was recorded like my M-1
does....
Finally, my girlfriend went and caught the Dirty Dozen
and the N. MI All Stars last friday at Mississippi
Nights in St. Louis and i'd love to get her a copy,
DAT or CDR is fine....

BWT:
The Persuasions 07.18.03 @ The Orpheum Theater,
Flagstaff AZ onstage mics/sbd mix 60m
DAT ONLY

thanks 
and
take care
richard from flagstaff

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From: Brian L Beggs <blbst25+@pitt.edu>
Subject: FS: AKG 480's ck63 (hypercard caps) matched pair / Sony PCM-M1 dat deck
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:06:19 -0400 (EDT)

I have to get rid of these mics so I can pay some bills.

AKG 480 bodies and ck63 HyperCard caps.

I've had them for little over 2 years now.  Both are in excellent
condition with no scratches or scraps.


I'll take $850 plus shipping for the pair, US or Canadian buyers only
please.


I'm also selling my deck.  Its a Sony M1, Ive done a lot of taping with it,
but its in good shape.  I just had it in to be cleaned about 40 hours of
usage ago.  No scratches or scrapes on the deck either and its in prefect
working condition.


I'll take $400 even for the deck, and US or Canadian buyers only please.



PayPal preferred!



Ciao,



Brian Beggs



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I don't know whose back's that strong
Maybe find out before too long



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