DAT-heads Digest #807
Contents:
Security at Universal Amphitheater LA, Ca. ("Cruz, Charles")
bruce 7/18/03 (richard turnure)
ft: elvis costello 2003-07-19 ("oleg grinshpan")
re: Artist Reimbursement ("Sherm Clow")
RE: Digital is not invinsible ("James B. Wilkinson")
Re: more analog vr digital & 24/96 ("James B. Wilkinson")
tipjar.com - artist reimbursement ("da9ve stovall")
RE: Artist reimbursement ("Mark McKay")
FS: V2 + battery system (brianweb2@comcast.net)
Digital is not invincible II (Rick Record)
Re: Digital is not invincible II (Seth Breidbart)
ISO: Shellac 7/2/03 DeKalb, IL at Otto's & Ruins US Tour dates (Geoff/Morgan)
Big brother IS watching... (Robbie Dunn)
Re: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching...
FS: MP2 (TheWarehouse41@aol.com)
From: "Cruz, Charles" <CruzCJ@cdm.com>
Subject: Security at Universal Amphitheater LA, Ca.
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:31:45 -0400
Hi,
Has anyone taped or been to a show recently at Universal Amphitheater in
Universal City, Ca? I'm going to tape Queensryche/Dream Theater this
thursday and am wondering how the security is there. Do they use wands?
heavy patdowns??
Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Charlie
From: richard turnure <rturnure@yahoo.com>
Subject: bruce 7/18/03
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:41:57 -0700 (PDT)
anyone get this show? i have a pretty good copy of his
xmas show to trade (4+hrs) dat or cdr...i got stopped
at the door with my dat, regards, rich
From: "oleg grinshpan" <alittledropofpoison@hotmail.com>
Subject: ft: elvis costello 2003-07-19
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:47:39 -0700
greek thtr, berkeley ca, at822>m1 12th row dead center.
looking for tom waits, pere ubu/rocket from the tombs and more elvis,
especially the upcoming elvis & steve shows in canada.
dat only, please.
thanks,
oleg.
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From: "Sherm Clow" <SCLOW@utah.gov>
Subject: re: Artist Reimbursement
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:02:18 -0600
I think this question has an easy answer: Make sure you pay for your =
ticket, buy the group's CD (always great to compare the studio to live =
recording) or other paraphenalia, and mail them a copy of the recording. =
That should easily make up the $3-$5 payment suggested in the previous =
posts and save a lot of speculative hassle.
Rev.
From: "James B. Wilkinson" <jimmy@cs.cofc.edu>
Subject: RE: Digital is not invinsible
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:13:20 -0400
At 2:50 PM -0400 7/18/03, Rick Barnett wrote:
> All digital media....DAT, CD, or any other looses musical information
>with each play. I play CD's all the time after a fresh burn and after
>10, 15 plays it is not the same as the first few plays. They all
>degrade.
Hmmm. Do you notice this with commercial CD's?
--
=============================================================
Jimmy Wilkinson | Professor of Computer Science
jimmy@cs.CofC.edu | The College of Charleston
(843) 953-8160 | Charleston SC 29424
http://www.cs.cofc.edu/~jimmy
If there is one word to describe me,
that word would have to be "profectionist".
Any form of incompitence is an athema to me.
Metathesis??? Don't ax me.
Just between you and I, the grammar used by Americans are getting worse.
From: "James B. Wilkinson" <jimmy@cs.cofc.edu>
Subject: Re: more analog vr digital & 24/96
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:19:13 -0400
At 2:50 PM -0400 7/18/03, bigjazzfan@cableone.net wrote:
>I've recently done a test with a Alesis Masterlink and a high end
>turntable/cartridge setup.
>A track off the LP was recorded in 24/96 and in cd 44.1 also.
>All were played back and A/B'd to the vinyl using the same setup.
>
>The cd recording sounded terrible IMO.
>Very bright and shrill.
>
>The 24/96 sounded great compared to the cd.
>It had a nice smooth and vinyl like sound.
>Very listenable without that glassy harshness of cd's.
>
>But then I played the vinyl back and it still sounds better than the 24/96.
>It has much more air to it and was much more alive musically.
Can anybody out there do a test with 24/192K? I'm curious to know how
close we are to having it.
>Anyway, thought I'd share the above test info.
That's interesting. Thanks for letting us know.
--
=============================================================
Jimmy Wilkinson | Professor of Computer Science
jimmy@cs.CofC.edu | The College of Charleston
(843) 953-8160 | Charleston SC 29424
http://www.cs.cofc.edu/~jimmy
If there is one word to describe me,
that word would have to be "profectionist".
Any form of incompitence is an athema to me.
Metathesis??? Don't ax me.
Just between you and I, the grammar used by Americans are getting worse.
From: "da9ve stovall" <da9ve@geek.com>
Subject: tipjar.com - artist reimbursement
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:52:37 -0700
>Neal Copperman <neal@swcp.com> wrote :
>>In an age of iTunes and Paypal, it seemed to me that it should
be
>>possible to actually directly pay artists some amount of money
for
>>their live recordings. I've been toying with the idea of trying
to
>>send $3 to $5 to independent artists that are easy to contact
>>whenever I acquire a live performance recording. It seems
only fair
>>that they should get some compensation for the music I get
to enjoy.
>
>>Has anyone ever tried doing that?
The closest thing I've heard of to this - a VOLUNTARY, small-denomination
("micro-payment") system is:
www.tipjar.com
Dunno if I have the history right, but this site was founded
for the purpose of being able to send money to musicians (and
maybe other people) outside the bounds of a normal goods-for-service
transaction. I guess there are a number of artist already with
"accounts" there - haven't had a chance to look at their list,
and I don't know all the ins and outs of how to use the site.
(Obviously, I'm not affiliated with them in any way.)
JBABC0CK@aol.com raises the valid point that you can help the
artist significantly by buying their product direct from them
at the show - and my "tradition" has been to buy all possible
product from an artist I tape as a matter of course. Still,
once you have everything, this might be a nice way to go above
and beyond.
da9ve
taping tonight: Sleepytime Gorilla Museum in Indianapolis
From: "Mark McKay" <mkm@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Artist reimbursement
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:03:35 -0400
>Once you add a fee to it, then its pay to record? how much?
>Which artists can demand it? Then you will ALWAYS have the taper who will
>stealth it
>and we will still have the "free distribution" and the "for-PAY"
>distribution.
I recently had a soundguy, who worked for the venue not the band, try to
charge me $60 for a feed. This is for an artist that is cool with
tapers...has no problem at all with us. I told the soundguy to go fuck
himself, set up my mic and got a great recording. Then the guy had the
stones to come over and ask me how the sound sounded in the room, and if he
could listen to my tape at the end of the show. I told him sure...for $60.
>If you are inclined to give them more money than just the cost of the
ticket, most artists sell product
>after the show. Buy copies of their CDs directly from them and cut out the
middle man.
>That's the best thing you can do for an artist on the road is put money in
their pocket.
Excellent suggestion, and something I do often. If you're so inclined, many
artists will autograph them for you as well...especially if you're in a
smaller venue.
>Later when you have listened to the tape you can (hopefully) hunt down
their PO Box from their website
>and send them the tape with more praise and adulation.
Or if you get to speak to them, ask them for an address. Many artists do
like getting copies of their shows...others prefer to have them sent to a
fan club. Chris Duarte is a great example of a taper-friendly artist. You
can get a SBD feed (if the club is OK with it...and most are if the artist
is) or set up mics, video and/or audio tape, and take all the pix you want.
All he asks is that you sent a copy to the guy who runs the fan club...and,
of course, not sell them.
Mark
From: brianweb2@comcast.net
Subject: FS: V2 + battery system
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:26:34 +0000
Hi everybody
Bought May 2002, no scratches or other blemishes. Sell as a package.
1 6v V2
1 BP-50 6v battery
1 66-A charger
1 V2 battery cable
email me with any offers.
thanks
Brian
From: Rick Record <analog414@comcast.net>
Subject: Digital is not invincible II
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:17:17 -0500
For those people out there that believe CD's do not degrade at all.
Take a fresh CD with a good amount of musical information and copy that
CD ten times. Now sit down relax and listen to the first copy, then the
tenth copy. If you can not hear any difference at all, then I suggest a
new stereo.
Rick
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Digital is not invincible II
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:34:06 -0400 (EDT)
> For those people out there that believe CD's do not degrade at all.
> Take a fresh CD with a good amount of musical information and copy
> that CD ten times. Now sit down relax and listen to the first copy,
> then the tenth copy. If you can not hear any difference at all, then
> I suggest a new stereo.
If you make digital copies correctly, and you can hear a difference, I
suggest either new ears or a new computer.
Seth
From: Geoff/Morgan <geofry@speedsite.com>
Subject: ISO: Shellac 7/2/03 DeKalb, IL at Otto's & Ruins US Tour dates
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:59:32 -0500
I know this is a huge long shot but did anyone tape this?
Shellac 7/2/03 DeKalb, IL Otto's
and did anyone get any of the Ruins US Tour dates? I taped Chicago
7/16/03 -D7/At822.
thanks,
Geoff
From: Robbie Dunn <goheels@mindspring.com>
Subject: Big brother IS watching...
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:31:49 -0400
I recently received the e-mail that I've attached below and thought people
here may want to check it out. As a bit of history... I've had a web page
for a number of years that included my live music lists (both DAT & CD-R),
some pictures I've taken at shows & a lot of cd cover art I created which
is available for download. Like most people on this list, I've freely taped
& traded shows for many years and have done my share of b&p's..... but I've
never sold any music (nor do I intend to). When I received the e-mail
below, it took me by surprise that the 2 recordings in questions were both
by bands who are supporters of the taping & trading of their music
(Widespread Panic & Gov't Mule). After speaking with "The Agency" a couple
different times.... and a local lawyer buddy.... I figured it would be in
my best interest to remove my music lists from my web page. The scary part
of this all is that if they're coming after people who just have a list
online.... you know they'll have their sights on people who are hosting
music for download.
Here's "the letter"........... (btw, I've put X's in place of the name of
the agency & counsel)
>Dear Mr. Dunn:
>
>As you may be aware, The XXXXX XXX Agency, Inc. ("XXX") is the licensing
>and collecting agent for over 27,000 music publisher principals.
>
>It has recently come to our attention that you have participated in,
>caused or authorized the reproduction and distribution of copyrighted musical
>compositions owned and/or controlled by our publisher principals
>(see the attached Schedule A for a sampe of such). As
>far as we are aware, no authority for such activities has been obtained
>from our principals that own the copyrights
>in the musical compositions involved. (If you have obtained the requisite
>license authority, please provide such immediately to my attention.)
>
>At the direction of our publisher principals, we hereby demand that you
>immediately cease and desist from all such infringing activities. Your
>engarement in such unauthorized activities is
>actionable as copyright infringement, and subject to the remedies provided
>by the U.S. Copyright Act, including statuatory damages of up to $150,000
>for each act of infringement. We further demand that within ten (10) days
>from the date of this letter you confirm that you have complied with the
>foregoing cease and desist demand and provide us with a proposal for
>resolving
>our principals' potential claims against you for the unauthorized use of
>their copyrighted musical compositions.
>
>If we fail to receive a timely response to the foregoing demands, we will
>so advise our principals, and legal action for willful copyright
>infringement may be brought against you.
>
>This letter is written without prejudice to our publisher principals
>rights and remedies, at law and in equity, all which are hereby reserved.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>XXXXX X. XXXXXX
>Associate Counsel
>The XXXXX XXX Agency, Inc.
>________________________ SCHEDULE A _________________________
>
>Album Gov't Mule: The Tabernacle - Atlanta, GA 11-15-02
>Composition: Drivin' Rain (Bug Music), No Need To Suffer (Bug Music), If
>I Had Possession Over Judgement Day (Music & Media Intl), Thorazine Shuffle
>(Bug Music), Bad Little Doggie (Bug Music)
>
>Album Widespread Panic: Alltel Pavilion - Raleigh 4-20-02
>Composition: Surprise Valley (Bug Music), This Part Of Town (Bug Music),
>One Arm Steve (Bug Music), Ride Me High (Audigram Music), Thought Sausage
>(Bug Music)
From: <mcmiller@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching...
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:01:10 -0400
You should not remove your list from the web. You should reply with a copy of the governing rules as defined by the band. In the case of mule, the following is from their web page.
Trading is specifically permitted and the associated rules are stated.
Fuck those assholes.
GOV'T MULE AUDIO RECORDING, PHOTO AND VIDEO POLICY
**Note to Tapers**
New this tour, Gov't Mule will be offering a designated "Taper Section" to help ensure our beloved tapers the best possible sound quality and some gear protection from the masses. For seated shows hard tickets are available, but limited to two (2) tickets per purchase. For general admission shows there will be a roped off section directly behind the soundboard, which will be cut off once it is filled so be sure you arrive early. The first half hour of door time will be for tapers only. Please specify "Taper Ticket" when you purchase your tickets to ensure a large enough section.
Recording
Audience taping is permitted at Gov't Mule shows. When Gov't Mule is performing at a festival or other event featuring multiple bands, that particular event's policy may override Mule's customary taping policy. When Gov't Mule is opening for another artist, that particular artist's policy may override Mule's customary taping policy. All taping is limited to audience only.
NO SOUNDBOARD PATCHES ARE EVER ALLOWED.
NO VIDEO OR PHOTOGRAPHY IS EVER ALLOWED.
The enjoyment of the audience in attendance at a concert always takes precedence over recording efforts. This means that at no time should tapers ever require other patrons to be quiet or otherwise interfere with their enjoyment of the show.
Duplication
All participants in audio recording exchange (regardless of format) acknowledge and respect the copyrights and exclusive ownership of the music and performances by the performers, writers and publishers. All taping must be for personal use only, which may include trading (via analog or digital tape, CD, or digital file transfer). Recordings may be traded only for an equivalent amount of similar media (cassettes or CDs, pre-recorded or blank). If we have chosen to offer for sale (via physical media such as CD, Cassette, or via digital download) a particular Mule performance, this "official" version will take precedence over amateur recordings and said performance should no longer be traded. In no case may any officially-released Gov't Mule recording (live or studio) be duplicated or otherwise traded or offered.
Audience taping at Mule concerts is authorized for non-commercial purposes only. Unauthorized sale, duplication and/or distribution is strictly forbidden. All Mule performances and recordings are the exclusive property of Gov't Mule. All rights reserved. The rights to record Gov't Mule performances set forth in this policy constitute an express, revocable license. We reserve the right to withdraw our sanction of recording, tape trading, and/or non-commercial digital audio file transfers on a case specific basis or in general, as we deem necessary. No waiver of any copyright or trademark right is intended. If you are aware of any person or site in violation of this policy, please inform us. Thank you.
>
> From: Robbie Dunn <goheels@mindspring.com>
> Date: 2003/07/21 Mon PM 09:31:49 EDT
> To: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net
> CC: budd@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching...
>
> I recently received the e-mail that I've attached below and thought people
> here may want to check it out. As a bit of history... I've had a web page
> for a number of years that included my live music lists (both DAT & CD-R),
> some pictures I've taken at shows & a lot of cd cover art I created which
> is available for download. Like most people on this list, I've freely taped
> & traded shows for many years and have done my share of b&p's..... but I've
> never sold any music (nor do I intend to). When I received the e-mail
> below, it took me by surprise that the 2 recordings in questions were both
> by bands who are supporters of the taping & trading of their music
> (Widespread Panic & Gov't Mule). After speaking with "The Agency" a couple
> different times.... and a local lawyer buddy.... I figured it would be in
> my best interest to remove my music lists from my web page. The scary part
> of this all is that if they're coming after people who just have a list
> online.... you know they'll have their sights on people who are hosting
> music for download.
>
> Here's "the letter"........... (btw, I've put X's in place of the name of
> the agency & counsel)
>
> >Dear Mr. Dunn:
> >
> >As you may be aware, The XXXXX XXX Agency, Inc. ("XXX") is the licensing
> >and collecting agent for over 27,000 music publisher principals.
> >
> >It has recently come to our attention that you have participated in,
> >caused or authorized the reproduction and distribution of copyrighted musical
> >compositions owned and/or controlled by our publisher principals
> >(see the attached Schedule A for a sampe of such). As
> >far as we are aware, no authority for such activities has been obtained
> >from our principals that own the copyrights
> >in the musical compositions involved. (If you have obtained the requisite
> >license authority, please provide such immediately to my attention.)
> >
> >At the direction of our publisher principals, we hereby demand that you
> >immediately cease and desist from all such infringing activities. Your
> >engarement in such unauthorized activities is
> >actionable as copyright infringement, and subject to the remedies provided
> >by the U.S. Copyright Act, including statuatory damages of up to $150,000
> >for each act of infringement. We further demand that within ten (10) days
> >from the date of this letter you confirm that you have complied with the
> >foregoing cease and desist demand and provide us with a proposal for
> >resolving
> >our principals' potential claims against you for the unauthorized use of
> >their copyrighted musical compositions.
> >
> >If we fail to receive a timely response to the foregoing demands, we will
> >so advise our principals, and legal action for willful copyright
> >infringement may be brought against you.
> >
> >This letter is written without prejudice to our publisher principals
> >rights and remedies, at law and in equity, all which are hereby reserved.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >XXXXX X. XXXXXX
> >Associate Counsel
> >The XXXXX XXX Agency, Inc.
> >________________________ SCHEDULE A _________________________
> >
> >Album Gov't Mule: The Tabernacle - Atlanta, GA 11-15-02
> >Composition: Drivin' Rain (Bug Music), No Need To Suffer (Bug Music), If
> >I Had Possession Over Judgement Day (Music & Media Intl), Thorazine Shuffle
> >(Bug Music), Bad Little Doggie (Bug Music)
> >
> >Album Widespread Panic: Alltel Pavilion - Raleigh 4-20-02
> >Composition: Surprise Valley (Bug Music), This Part Of Town (Bug Music),
> >One Arm Steve (Bug Music), Ride Me High (Audigram Music), Thought Sausage
> >(Bug Music)
>
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From: TheWarehouse41@aol.com
Subject: FS: MP2
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:55:36 EDT
350 shipped or best offer... almost mint, comes with xlr power cable, works
perfectly... sorry for another post about this... let me know
-Cameron
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