DAT-heads Digest #808, Volume #6 Tue, 22 Jul 03 12:50:00 EDT Contents: ISO: Chris Robinson taper from 7/16 Denver or 7/18 Las Vegas ("Erik Heath") ISO: Lollapalooza '03 (Incubus and Jane's, mainly). ("Adrian Fernandes") New cd art available for download (Robbie Dunn) re:Big brother IS watching ("alf") Re: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching... (Keith Bode) security at irving plaza, nyc (rappard@dds.nl) Re: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching... Re: Digital is not invincible II (mazur) Re: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching... (Wayne Bonomo) camden taper tix available ("Jamie Lutch") ISO: Steath Taper in Glen Ellyn, IL next friday. ("- -") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Heath" Subject: ISO: Chris Robinson taper from 7/16 Denver or 7/18 Las Vegas Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:41:24 +0000 Opening for Elvis Costello - lots to trade hopefully either or both of these were stealthed... _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ From: "Adrian Fernandes" Subject: ISO: Lollapalooza '03 (Incubus and Jane's, mainly). Reply-To: adrianf@cuic.ca Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:41:15 -0400 I just got back to Toronto from a wicked trip to Cuyahoga Falls, OH for the "Cleveland" Lollapalooza show on Sunday. Just plain awesome. Normally, I'd tape such a show but because I was there with my girl and because of the 5-6 hour drive EACH WAY, I decided I'd just enjoy the show for a change. Simplest words to describe it: Plain Awesome. :) However, security was a b*tch to say the least as I saw them having everybody empty pockets as well as confiscating cameras (so I couldn't even shoot although I did manage to get mine in). I was in the PIT for the show, so taping wouldn't have been a "good idea" with security being what it was. :( If anybody managed to tape this show (or has taped _OR_ is planning to tape one of the other shows), could you please drop me a line? I'd really like to get a copy. Thanks again! Adrian in Toronto ------------------------------ From: Robbie Dunn Subject: New cd art available for download Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:23:57 -0400 Just finished uploading the following cd cover art to my web site: The Dead - Red Rocks 7-6-03, 7-7-03, 7-10-03, 7-11-03 Taj Mahal - Raleigh, NC 7-15-03 Will Bernard & Motherbug - Raleigh, NC 4-22-03 Project Object - Carrboro, NC 3-23-03 Steve Kimock Band - Raleigh, NC 3-4-03 String Cheese Incident - Raleigh, NC 4-17-03 Jorma Kaukonen & Blue Country - Carrboro, NC 1-27-03 Railroad Earth - Raleigh, NC 3-14-03 Tony Rice Unit - Chapel Hill, NC 1-11-03 Yonder Mountain String Band - Asheville, NC 2-13-03 Yonder Mountain String Band - Carrboro, NC 2-9-03 Gov't Mule - New Orleans 5-3-03 Warren Haynes Christmas Jam - Asheville, NC 12-21-02 Grateful Dead - Chapel Hill, NC 3-24-93 & 3-25-93 Surf on over to: www.mindspring.com/~goheels and grab what you need. Enjoy.... Robbie D PS Drop me an e-mail and let me know what you think.... also please report any problems or dead links. ------------------------------ From: "alf" Subject: re:Big brother IS watching Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:54:47 +0200 >It has recently come to our attention that you have participated in, >caused or authorized the reproduction and distribution of copyrighted musical compositions owned and/or controlled by our publisher principals >Album Gov't Mule: The Tabernacle - Atlanta, GA 11-15-02 >Composition: Drivin' Rain (Bug Music), No Need To Suffer (Bug Music), If >I Had Possession Over Judgement Day (Music & Media Intl), Thorazine Shuffle >(Bug Music), Bad Little Doggie (Bug Music) > >Album Widespread Panic: Alltel Pavilion - Raleigh 4-20-02 >Composition: Surprise Valley (Bug Music), This Part Of Town (Bug Music), >One Arm Steve (Bug Music), Ride Me High (Audigram Music), Thought Sausage >(Bug Music) I'm not a lawyer and I don't know american law, but this sucks. Normally infrangiments of royality is for example, at least in Italy, if you play your radio in your own pub, while your customers are drinkin': in this case you are using music of artists to create atmosphere , helping in your business. In this case Gov't Mule and WSP have paid rights to this Publisher just playin in the venue This publisher is forcing his own rule: I would like send email to them and say: Hey guys, when I F@ck my girlfriend I sing Ride me High: may I have your permission? I agree with you is better remove list from internet, but it would nice if you forward what happens to Gov't Mule and WSP. Expecially mule have hundreds of other fine songs that they can play, so Warren could be write to that pubisher telling he'll remove forever that songs from his sets, if they continue to send this kind of scary emails to their fans. And now to moderator: I think is time to think to do some important changes for future: - migrate in a new hidden list with all fellow datheads (it means accept as subscribe of new list ONLY people who posted in these last years) - Hidden from the web all old messages (if you type some search on Google, Yahoo, etc) you'll can find old posts (I think all posts must available only for the subscribers , and not for all) my o,2 cent alf ------------------------------ From: Keith Bode Subject: Re: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching... Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:19:57 -0700 I'd e-mail them back and ask if anyone arooound is breathing fresh air. Then I'd tell them you are going to print up cards with offers for free concert CD's to the shows they mentioned, and put them in record rack, all the person has to do is call, iftey don't get out of your ass. Also, I wouldn't post thid to G.Mule listt and other bads lists w\Warren is more active in. Keith mcmiller@cox.net wrote: >You should not remove your list from the web. You should reply with a copy of the governing rules as defined by the band. In the case of mule, the following is from their web page. > >Trading is specifically permitted and the associated rules are stated. > > >Fuck those assholes. > > >GOV'T MULE AUDIO RECORDING, PHOTO AND VIDEO POLICY > > >**Note to Tapers** >New this tour, Gov't Mule will be offering a designated "Taper Section" to help ensure our beloved tapers the best possible sound quality and some gear protection from the masses. For seated shows hard tickets are available, but limited to two (2) tickets per purchase. For general admission shows there will be a roped off section directly behind the soundboard, which will be cut off once it is filled so be sure you arrive early. The first half hour of door time will be for tapers only. Please specify "Taper Ticket" when you purchase your tickets to ensure a large enough section. > >Recording >Audience taping is permitted at Gov't Mule shows. When Gov't Mule is performing at a festival or other event featuring multiple bands, that particular event's policy may override Mule's customary taping policy. When Gov't Mule is opening for another artist, that particular artist's policy may override Mule's customary taping policy. All taping is limited to audience only. >NO SOUNDBOARD PATCHES ARE EVER ALLOWED. >NO VIDEO OR PHOTOGRAPHY IS EVER ALLOWED. > >The enjoyment of the audience in attendance at a concert always takes precedence over recording efforts. This means that at no time should tapers ever require other patrons to be quiet or otherwise interfere with their enjoyment of the show. > >Duplication >All participants in audio recording exchange (regardless of format) acknowledge and respect the copyrights and exclusive ownership of the music and performances by the performers, writers and publishers. All taping must be for personal use only, which may include trading (via analog or digital tape, CD, or digital file transfer). Recordings may be traded only for an equivalent amount of similar media (cassettes or CDs, pre-recorded or blank). If we have chosen to offer for sale (via physical media such as CD, Cassette, or via digital download) a particular Mule performance, this "official" version will take precedence over amateur recordings and said performance should no longer be traded. In no case may any officially-released Gov't Mule recording (live or studio) be duplicated or otherwise traded or offered. > >Audience taping at Mule concerts is authorized for non-commercial purposes only. Unauthorized sale, duplication and/or distribution is strictly forbidden. All Mule performances and recordings are the exclusive property of Gov't Mule. All rights reserved. The rights to record Gov't Mule performances set forth in this policy constitute an express, revocable license. We reserve the right to withdraw our sanction of recording, tape trading, and/or non-commercial digital audio file transfers on a case specific basis or in general, as we deem necessary. No waiver of any copyright or trademark right is intended. If you are aware of any person or site in violation of this policy, please inform us. Thank you. > > > >>From: Robbie Dunn >>Date: 2003/07/21 Mon PM 09:31:49 EDT >>To: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net >>CC: budd@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching... >> >>I recently received the e-mail that I've attached below and thought people >>here may want to check it out. As a bit of history... I've had a web page >>for a number of years that included my live music lists (both DAT & CD-R), >>some pictures I've taken at shows & a lot of cd cover art I created which >>is available for download. Like most people on this list, I've freely taped >>& traded shows for many years and have done my share of b&p's..... but I've >>never sold any music (nor do I intend to). When I received the e-mail >>below, it took me by surprise that the 2 recordings in questions were both >>by bands who are supporters of the taping & trading of their music >>(Widespread Panic & Gov't Mule). After speaking with "The Agency" a couple >>different times.... and a local lawyer buddy.... I figured it would be in >>my best interest to remove my music lists from my web page. The scary part >>of this all is that if they're coming after people who just have a list >>online.... you know they'll have their sights on people who are hosting >>music for download. >> >>Here's "the letter"........... (btw, I've put X's in place of the name of >>the agency & counsel) >> >> >> >>>Dear Mr. Dunn: >>> >>>As you may be aware, The XXXXX XXX Agency, Inc. ("XXX") is the licensing >>>and collecting agent for over 27,000 music publisher principals. >>> >>>It has recently come to our attention that you have participated in, >>>caused or authorized the reproduction and distribution of copyrighted musical >>>compositions owned and/or controlled by our publisher principals >>>(see the attached Schedule A for a sampe of such). As >>>far as we are aware, no authority for such activities has been obtained >>> >>> >>>from our principals that own the copyrights >> >> >>>in the musical compositions involved. (If you have obtained the requisite >>>license authority, please provide such immediately to my attention.) >>> >>>At the direction of our publisher principals, we hereby demand that you >>>immediately cease and desist from all such infringing activities. Your >>>engarement in such unauthorized activities is >>>actionable as copyright infringement, and subject to the remedies provided >>>by the U.S. Copyright Act, including statuatory damages of up to $150,000 >>>for each act of infringement. We further demand that within ten (10) days >>> >>> >>>from the date of this letter you confirm that you have complied with the >> >> >>>foregoing cease and desist demand and provide us with a proposal for >>>resolving >>>our principals' potential claims against you for the unauthorized use of >>>their copyrighted musical compositions. >>> >>>If we fail to receive a timely response to the foregoing demands, we will >>>so advise our principals, and legal action for willful copyright >>>infringement may be brought against you. >>> >>>This letter is written without prejudice to our publisher principals >>>rights and remedies, at law and in equity, all which are hereby reserved. >>> >>>Sincerely, >>> >>>XXXXX X. XXXXXX >>>Associate Counsel >>>The XXXXX XXX Agency, Inc. >>>________________________ SCHEDULE A _________________________ >>> >>>Album Gov't Mule: The Tabernacle - Atlanta, GA 11-15-02 >>>Composition: Drivin' Rain (Bug Music), No Need To Suffer (Bug Music), If >>>I Had Possession Over Judgement Day (Music & Media Intl), Thorazine Shuffle >>>(Bug Music), Bad Little Doggie (Bug Music) >>> >>>Album Widespread Panic: Alltel Pavilion - Raleigh 4-20-02 >>>Composition: Surprise Valley (Bug Music), This Part Of Town (Bug Music), >>>One Arm Steve (Bug Music), Ride Me High (Audigram Music), Thought Sausage >>>(Bug Music) >>> >>> >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>budd-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 9:24:56 -0400 Sorry, guys. That reply was intended for Robbie only and not the list. Friggin webmail interface. michael ------------------------------ From: mazur Subject: Re: Digital is not invincible II Date: 22 Jul 2003 14:17:52 -0000 ============================== From: Rick Record Subject: Digital is not invincible II Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:17:17 -0500 >For those people out there that believe CD's do not degrade at all. Take a fresh CD >with a good amount of musical information and copy that CD ten times. Now sit down >relax and listen to the first copy, then the tenth copy. If you can not hear any >difference at all, then I suggest a new stereo. >-Rick Hey gang, if CD's degraded, you would have faulty software and data all over the world. Digital media can *not* fail, or you would never be able to use it for computer applications. It would be easy to think that if you drop a 0 or 1 in a music CD, you may or may not hear it. But, if you drop a 0 or 1 in a software application or data file, YOU WILL SEE IT! There is no tolerance for losing data on the computer side. The same CDR drives are making the music CD's and data CD's, and the same media is being used. Short of an obvious media failure up front (I mean manufacturing problem, not degradation over time) or an equipment failure during the recording, your CD's are not changing between plays. Same for DAT. It is digital media. 0's and 1's. If I had a DAT backup tape not be the same as the original for computer uses, it would be useless. It *CAN'T* degrade, or it is not a backup. Now sure, the magnetic ribbon may lose it's properties over long periods of time and data start to be lost. But that's why sys admins change their backup DAT's regularly (some as often as after one single use)...and also why they sell them off to audio DAT folks for casual listening (ie. don't send them in trades). Really guys, before heading off into the holy war of if your ears are good enough to hear a difference, think of the science of it for a moment. Thanks folks, Rob Mazur ------------------------------ From: Wayne Bonomo Subject: Re: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching... Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:17:28 -0400 Perhaps they are concerned with the covers that were performed. 1) If I Had Possession Over Judgement Day / Robert Johnson 2) Ride Me High / JJ Cale Performers/publishers usually hire companies to make sure that they collect all royalties due them. If this is the case it would take someone with a much better knowledge of copyright law to interpret this. This could potentially be a can of worms for the music trading community. Can a performer allow the free distribution of recordings of songs performed by them, but authored by someone else? Does your show list also list songs performed? Removing the song list might be one way to at least make the job more difficult for these people. I guess this should also be a warning to anyone who posts shows of performers who are not taper friendly that big brother is indeed watching and may be coming for you. Wayne > >________________________ SCHEDULE A _________________________ > > > >Album Gov't Mule: The Tabernacle - Atlanta, GA 11-15-02 > >Composition: Drivin' Rain (Bug Music), No Need To Suffer (Bug Music), If > >I Had Possession Over Judgement Day (Music & Media Intl), Thorazine Shuffle > >(Bug Music), Bad Little Doggie (Bug Music) > > > >Album Widespread Panic: Alltel Pavilion - Raleigh 4-20-02 > >Composition: Surprise Valley (Bug Music), This Part Of Town (Bug Music), > >One Arm Steve (Bug Music), Ride Me High (Audigram Music), Thought Sausage > >(Bug Music) ------------------------------ From: "Jamie Lutch" Subject: camden taper tix available Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:16:20 -0700 A friend of mine has decided not to tape and would like a pair of seats where he can actually sit down if necessary. He has a pair for either (or both) nights for trade for comparable seats (or 100's) email me and I'll put you in touch -Jamie ------------------------------ From: "- -" Subject: ISO: Steath Taper in Glen Ellyn, IL next friday. Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:45:05 +0000 Hi, if you're able to go and steath tape this show Fri 07/25/03 Glen Ellyn, IL - McAninch Arts Center please reply privately for details. I'll pay for concert ticket, blanks and beverages. Or I can trade (have lots low gen for trade, different artists. I can do DVD-Rs too, for example Peter Gabriel, R Stones 2002/2003 shows). Thanks for the help! Nas _________________________________________________________________ Trouvez l'âme soeur sur MSN Rencontres http://g.msn.fr/FR1000/9551 ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************