DAT-heads Digest #809
Contents:
ISO: Tickets to Jack Johnson / Ben Harper 8/9 Santa Barbara Bowl ("Ed Pankau")
Digital is not invincible PART III ("robert t")
RE: security at irving plaza, nyc (Barry Lajnwand)
FS: DMic20, 15' audomagic cables, mic stand (Brian L Beggs)
ISO: Mondo Generator / Lollapalooza ("vikas bhatia")
ft richie haven (dolphin smile)
ISO DEAD 5-26-73 SET II on dat (Ben)
Re: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching... ("DRider")
Digital vs analog ("david gatewood")
Re: Big brother IS watching ("Charles Quinn")
Fwd: [GDTSTOO] for tapers only (Joshua)
ISO: Ben Harper tapers ("Erik Heath")
FS AKG c422- AD1K- PS2-AD20 ("tad black")
Security at Universal Amphitheater LA, (ijwthstd)
From: "Ed Pankau" <e.pankau@sportsmedia.com>
Subject: ISO: Tickets to Jack Johnson / Ben Harper 8/9 Santa Barbara Bowl
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:04:51 -0400
I am in need of a ticket or 2 or 3 to the Jack Johnson / Ben Harper show =
at the Santa Barbara Bowl on August 9th. If anyone has any extra =
ticket(s) that they'd be willing to sell me, I'd be grateful.
Please contact me via email at e.pankau@sportsmedia.com
Thanks!!!
From: "robert t" <jahjah55@hotmail.com>
Subject: Digital is not invincible PART III
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:25:50 -0400
>From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
>Subject: Re: Digital is not invincible II
>Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:34:06 -0400 (EDT)
>
> > For those people out there that believe CD's do not degrade at all.
> > Take a fresh CD with a good amount of musical information and copy
> > that CD ten times. Now sit down relax and listen to the first copy,
> > then the tenth copy. If you can not hear any difference at all, then
> > I suggest a new stereo.
>
>If you make digital copies correctly, and you can hear a difference, I
>suggest either new ears or a new computer.
>
>Seth
>
>------------------------------
That's right Rick, Sounds like you don't know how to use your computer's
CD-R software to create bit by bit perfect clones! I just hate it when I
get a traded CD-R and some idiot didn't copy it right (example, the disc
isn't DAO recorded)
I will say that I have experienced CD-Rs that aren't exactly perfect when
they were burned at a high rate of speed. Somewhere the data gets changed
slightly which is probably the differences you are experiencing. But that's
why the software will also let you slow down the burn rate. I no longer
burn above 4x on the computer. A full disc may take 20 minutes to copy from
the hard drive, but it won't have any digital errors either because of the
slower burn rate.
For my most important recordings (like transfer of Live DATs to CD-Rs) I
burn at 1x of course with home audio gear. A Sony DAT deck with fiber optic
out to a Marantz CD Recorder with SCMS turned off. 75 minutes may take 75
minutes, but at least I can watch to make sure the Track IDs transfer
properly and fade in and out at the being and end of the disc like I want
to, Digitally!
And because this burner records digitally with a sample rate converter for
48K DATs, when I do dub the first disc and continue on to the tenth disc,
the tenth will sound like the first one exactly because it was done
digitally!
Like Seth said, better get new ears or a new computer (or home audio gear)
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From: Barry Lajnwand <barrylajnwand@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: security at irving plaza, nyc
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:33:17 -0400
Last time I went they do wands and pat-downs. I didn't try to get anything
in, and am not sure if these were actual safety-related security measures
or if it is meant both for safety and to ensure that no recording devices
get in.
From: Brian L Beggs <blbst25+@pitt.edu>
Subject: FS: DMic20, 15' audomagic cables, mic stand
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:44:44 -0400 (EDT)
A few more items I'm looking to get rid of:
Graham-Patten Dmic-20 44.1. I'll toss in my home brew batter solution for
this. $375 + shipping
15 foot Audio Magic xlr cables. Very nice, $75 + shipping.
12 foot tall Mic stand. few dings and nics. $35 + shipping.
Ciao,
Brian Beggs
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I don't know but I been told
if the horse don't pull you got to carry the load
I don't know whose back's that strong
Maybe find out before too long
From: "vikas bhatia" <vikas10@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Mondo Generator / Lollapalooza
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:30:52 -0500
These guys have played several shows between last year and 2003. Somebody
out there must have some recordings. Have lots of QOTSA and related to
trade. also have the mondo generator show from 11/15/02 in germany (nick
solo acoustic + mark lanegan)
also, for those of you following the Lollapalooza tour, Mondo is playing
shows on off nights so keep your eyes open for dates in your area.
looking for Lolla sets from Audioslave and QOTSA always....
contact me : vikas AT breakerfall DOT net
thanks in advance.
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From: dolphin smile <thedolphinsmile@yahoo.com>
Subject: ft richie haven
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:43:18 -0700 (PDT)
did a couple of recent richie shows, looking to
trade for some other richie.
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From: Ben <skydog420us@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO DEAD 5-26-73 SET II on dat
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT)
Can someone help me out?
Respond privately. Please respond to
ben_clary@yahoo.com.
Ben
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From: "DRider" <Farflung@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching...
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:15:31 -0400
.....but a band does not have to pay the artist who wrote a song or the
publisher of that song every time they play that song live in concert
(assuming they did not write the song of course)
for example - Grateful Dead cover bands do not pay Robert Hunter
or his publisher etc. to play Grateful Dead songs live...
if they had to do that - they would owe the publisher much more than the $$
they got paid for the gig in the first place.......
the only way that would happen would be if the band officially released the
live recording for sale to the public.....
for example - Government Mule had to get permission to release the live
recording of them performing Humble Pie's "30 Days In The Hole". There are
all kinds of ways this is negotiated and finalized so that the original song
writer(s) get compensated via his publisher. But even that has to do w/ the
deal that the songwriter originally made w/ the publisher.... In some cases,
the publisher get the $$ and the songwriter gets nothing......
if I got up during setbreak and performed Ripple on my acoustic guitar in
front of a crowded bar - nobody could collect any money from me for playing
the song.....
but if the song was recorded and I wanted to sell it, I would have to get
permission from Robert Hunter, Jerry Garcia's estate (I guess) and work out
a financial deal w/ the publisher.... depending on what arrangement was made
w/ Hunter & Garcia w/ the publisher originally.....
attorneys - please correct me if I am wrong -
Peace,
D
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From: Wayne Bonomo <waynomo2@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [BUDD] Big brother IS watching...
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:17:28 -0400
Perhaps they are concerned with the covers that were performed.
1) If I Had Possession Over Judgement Day / Robert Johnson
2) Ride Me High / JJ Cale
Performers/publishers usually hire companies to make sure that they collect
all royalties due them.
If this is the case it would take someone with a much better knowledge of
copyright law to interpret this. This could potentially be a can of worms
for the music trading community. Can a performer allow the free
distribution of recordings of songs performed by them, but authored by
someone else?
Does your show list also list songs performed? Removing the song list
might be one way to at least make the job more difficult for these
people. I guess this should also be a warning to anyone who posts shows of
performers who are not taper friendly that big brother is indeed watching
and may be coming for you.
Wayne
From: "david gatewood" <daveg_8@hotmail.com>
Subject: Digital vs analog
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:41:01 +0000
The last post'r stated that digital media, such as cd's can't ever change.
That sin't entirely true. A cd is actually digital music, not quite the
same as data. SHN's, with their checksums, and specifically data cd's are
DATA. Music cd's are music. That's why some cd burners require MUSIC cd's.
It's also why you can put a 24 track song on a cd as DATA, but can only
record a 2 track MUSIC version. There is some overlapping error correction,
and other digital wonders that happen inbetween, but there are differences
that need to be understood. It's been some years since I was in school for
audio recording, and some of those specifics escape me right now, but there
are differences!
As far as Big Brother watching and writing to you, I would have to agree
that the reason they did was because of the cover songs. If they are old
enough, they may be public domain, and I believe the songs mentioned ARE
public domain. A quick call or email to the Library of Congress, or one of
the big music royalty companies will tell you. The letter could also be
written because big music exec's don't understand why people would actually
give music away, and not sell it. They make big $$$$ because they sell
music (and usually screw the artist at the same time), but are basically
just like a stock broker. They trade on the potential popularity of an
artist, like he/she is just like pork bellies, or AT&T.
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From: "Charles Quinn" <cmquinn@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Big brother IS watching
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:49:05 -0700
One of the songs in Schedule A is a JJ Cale tune, i.e., the band did a cover
of the tune. Passing along a copy of that cover will not pass along
anything to JJ Cale, nor WSP. Cover tunes are a problem. If the shows all on
your list only contained WSP songs then you would have no problem.
Chuck Quinn
>From: Robbie Dunn <goheels@mindspring.com>
>ubject: Big brother IS watching...
>ate: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:31:49 -0400
>I recently received the e-mail that I've attached below and thought people
>here may want to check it out. As a bit of history... I've had a web page
>for a number of years that included my live music lists (both DAT & CD-R),
>some pictures I've taken at shows & a lot of cd cover art I created which
>is available for download. Like most people on this list, I've freely taped
> traded shows for many years and have done my share of b&p's..... but I've
>never sold any music (nor do I intend to). When I received the e-mail
>elow, it took me by surprise that the 2 recordings in questions were both
>by bands who are supporters of the taping & trading of their music
>(Widespread Panic & Gov't Mule).
>It has recently come to our attention that you have participated in,
>caused or authorized the reproduction and distribution of copyrighted
musical
>compositions owned and/or controlled by our publisher principals
>(see the attached Schedule A for a sampe of such). As
>far as we are aware, no authority for such activities has been obtained
>from our principals that own the copyrights
>in the musical compositions involved. (If you have obtained the requisite
>license authority, please provide such immediately to my attention.)
>________________________ SCHEDULE A _________________________
>
>Album Gov't Mule: The Tabernacle - Atlanta, GA 11-15-02
>Composition: Drivin' Rain (Bug Music), No Need To Suffer (Bug Music), If
>I Had Possession Over Judgement Day (Music & Media Intl), Thorazine Shuffle
>(Bug Music), Bad Little Doggie (Bug Music)
>
>Album Widespread Panic: Alltel Pavilion - Raleigh 4-20-02
>Composition: Surprise Valley (Bug Music), This Part Of Town (Bug Music),
>One Arm Steve (Bug Music), Ride Me High (Audigram Music), Thought Sausage
>(Bug Music)
From: Joshua <sprung598@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: [GDTSTOO] for tapers only
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:53:34 -0700 (PDT)
Okay guys, everyone got that? No taping Bob Dylan cuz
security will be watching you!
--- "GDTS Too, Inc" <GDTSTOO@dead.net> wrote:
> To: GDTSTOO@yahoogroups.com
> From: "GDTS Too, Inc" <GDTSTOO@dead.net>
> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:55:58 -0700
> Subject: [GDTSTOO] for tapers only
>
> Now that the Dead are about to embark on Leg 2 of
> the
> Summer Getaway in company of Bob Dylan and his Band,
> it is time to remind you that Mr. Dylan does not
> allow
> for his sets to be taped. You may all remember this
> from
> previous experience.
>
> You are going to be allowed to bring in your gear,
> but
> you cannot set up until after the Dylan set is
> finished.
> If you do, you will have your gear confiscated.
> Security will check on you so be warned.
>
> There will be a 45 minute break between the Dylan
> set and the Dead's performance so there will be
> plenty
> of time to set up then.
>
> Since not everybody will read this message, those of
> you
> who do know could be helpful by making sure
> unsuspecting
> tapers get clued in before there's a problem.
>
> In general, please do avail yourselves of the taping
>
> sections provided.
> --
>
>
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> an ancient hunger wanders
> like an ever-rolling stone"
>
> Robert Hunter
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From: "Erik Heath" <erikheath@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Ben Harper tapers
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 03:22:37 +0000
Starting with the Japan shows, ex-black crowes guitarist Marc Ford will be
joining Ben on tour through the west coast, and Europe. I'm not exactly
sure how Ben's taping policy is - but I would love to get as many recordings
from this tour as possible. Lots to trade, masters, dats, cdrs, etc...
thanks in advance!
Erik
http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?By=All&Content=ben+harper
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From: "tad black" <tadjblack@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS AKG c422- AD1K- PS2-AD20
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 04:12:50 +0000
It seems as though I've been hoarding equipment lately and since I'm about
to move- I could use some extra money. Here's what I got.
AKG c422- A dual, large diaphram, stereo, condenser microphone. It also
comes with the s42- a box that controls polar patterns for both elements. It
alows you to set the capsules to omni, sub card, card, hyper, and figure
8(useful for m/s and Blumlein). This mic is a classic. This model was used
as Dan Healy's audience mic back in GD's hayday. Check out pictures and a
review at http://www.nickspicks.com/ -Just click on AKG under the reviews
menu on the left. I actually got this mic from Nick so the one in the
picture is the one you'll get.
$1500 shipped and insured
Ad1k- everybody knows this classic unit so I'll spare you the details
revision D2 sn 0535. Works like a charm and makes great tapes. Also has an
optical out for all you jb3'ers.
$650 shipped and insured
PS-2 and Ad-20- these units are made to go together so I'm selling them
together. I guess I can split up if theres enough responce. These are great
for stealthing or a newbie. The ad20 also has an optical out for the
jb3'ers.
$300 shipped and insured
thanks
Tad
tadjblack@hotmail.com
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From: ijwthstd <ijwthstd@yahoo.com>
Subject: Security at Universal Amphitheater LA,
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
> Do they use wands?
heavy patdowns??
I was there for the Poison show, airport style with a
brief follow up patdown after I set it off. Nothing to
worry about. I hope you get it as I am attending
another event that night.
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