DAT-heads Digest #816
Contents:
Doug Martsch 03/27/02 source info needed (rappard@dds.nl)
ISO: Tom Petty 10-16-02 DVD ("American-Digital")
ISO Chip Taylor ("peggy")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #815 (Karl Lohninger)
archivists code (David Nolan)
AT853 mic's - my opinion (Owen O'Neill)
Re: ISO: SP-CMC-4 (AT853) mic users (Michael Melone)
RE: ISO: SP-CMC-4 (AT853) mic users (Michael Melone)
FS: Sony ECM-959A (jjjewett)
FS: Mindprint Di-Port 24-Bit preamp/ADC/DAC (jjjewett)
FS: CSC mics (Random Gnome Generator)
A few new masters for trade... (Smashmark@aol.com)
Iso: wxrt 7/4/03 Chicago broadcast.... (CHRIS FELDOTT)
From: rappard@dds.nl
Subject: Doug Martsch 03/27/02 source info needed
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:43:09 +0200
I got this (Doug Martsch, 03/27/02, Tractor Tavern, Seattle) from someone on
this list (Bill J.?) - if you have the source info for this, please drop me a
line.
Thanks,
Martin
From: "American-Digital" <dan@am-dig.com>
Subject: ISO: Tom Petty 10-16-02 DVD
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:35:01 -0400
SSIA...DVD only please. Have similar I can
offer in trade. Will send list.
BWT- Tom Petty at The Vic in Chicago 4-19-03.
From: "peggy" <peguine@madbbs.com>
Subject: ISO Chip Taylor
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:46:33 -0400
ISO Chip Taylor shows.Especially fall 2002 or 2003 shows. Lots to trade.
Does anybody out there have any?
Larry
Peguine@madb.com
From: Karl Lohninger <midoil@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #815
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:13:39 -0700
> From: "Gary Davis" <g@hoxnet.com>
> Subject: re: DAT vs miniDV for audio
> Reply-to: g@hoxnet.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:35:13 -00
>
> The miniDV camera probably has very tight compression which you
> cannot turn off, and if you're going through the mic input, probably a
> lousy preamp besides. (exception: Canon XL1) Also, you run a
> very good chance of brickwalling (distorting) the audio on the
> camcorder unless your mic>attenuator>camcorder situation is just
> right. On one popular Sony camera I tested, the difference
> between "adequate level" and "badly distorted" was very slight; ie,
> the camera had no dynamic range.....
Unfortunately in Gary Davis' post are a number of wrong facts....first,
miniDV's audio portion doesn't have any compression. It's 48khz 16 bit
audio. It is true that all the cheap cameras have lousy preamps, but the
Canon xl1 is no exception! When he writes about 'brickwalling' audio he
really doesn't understand what proper gain structure is. Generally it is
better not to run levels to hot on these cameras mostly because their
metering is quite pathetic and it really helps being on the safe side.
There is also mentioning that:
> if you're in a position to plug a soundboard into
> a miniDV camera, if you can arrange so there's no overload (proper
> attenuators or whatever), the compression can actually help. Many
> badly mixed soundboard can be saved by adding heavy
> compression, and as a bonus, it will bring up the volume of the
> audience between songs.
That's quite a statement and needless to say completely off in every regard.
Not only does miniDV record uncompressed, the notion that badly mixed audio
can be saved by compression is absolutely nonsense.
> Finally, I recommend ALWAYS using the "12-bit" audio on
> camcorders, because this makes it possible to add a second audio
> track.
Well, using 12bit audio is a big 'no no', simply because it sucks. What's 4
channels helping if all of them sound lousy?
Karl Lohninger, sound mixer, Los Angeles
From: David Nolan <DaveNolanAudio@earthlink.net>
Subject: archivists code
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:12:33 -0400
Came across this today - thought folks here might want to see it :-)
http://www.akronaa.org/Archives/guidance/archivistscode.html
dave n
nyc
From: Owen O'Neill <phaelon56@yahoo.com>
Subject: AT853 mic's - my opinion
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:27:14 -0700 (PDT)
Bas Ruesink said
"anyone here using the Sound Professional Cardiods
or Omni (Audio Techinica 853) ?? Any good? pro/cons?"
I've done plenty of recording with the Sound professionals "Slimline"
AT853 based mic's. I started with the Hypercard heads and have used
them more than the other heads. Great flat response and the hypercard
pattern excels at leaving ambient crowd noise out. I generally tape
with them in grill cloth sleeves mounted on the sides of a black
baseball cap or in situations requiring even greater stealth, velcroed
onto the inside edges of the collatrs on a black open necked collared
short. The response is not as neutral or as smooth as the Neumann
KM184's I was running on a stand for awhile but IMHO they're the best
stealth mic's out there in the sub $500 price range. I don't think
there's really anything noticeably better until you get into the pricey
little DPA's. I have used my sub-cardioid heads only twice, both times
when I had to record at closer range and although they offered a
slightly fatter sound and broader, deeper soundstage, ambient crowd
noise is more of an issue. In quiet venue where you can get positioend
in the sweet spot the subcard's offer the best of both worlds but more
often than not I'm back closer to the soundboard and find the
hypercard's to excel.
Also worth noting is that Chris Carfagno of Sound Professionals is a
great vendor to deal with. I've had occasional customization requests,
a need to return/exchange and any number of technical questions - he
was always prompt and efficient when I dealt with him or his staff and
the build quality is solid.
Owen O'Neill
Rutherford NJ
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From: Michael Melone <memelone@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ISO: SP-CMC-4 (AT853) mic users
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 08:58:10 -0700 (PDT)
I have the cardoids. I've been using them about 2
months to make gig tapes of my band with a D7. I'm
very happy with the results I'm getting even though
I'm new to this type of recording.
I plan on using them for some stealth recording in the
near future.
Ciao
Mike
> From: "Bas Ruesink" <basruesink@hotmail.com>
> Subject: ISO: SP-CMC-4 (AT853) mic users
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:22:02 +0200
>
> Looking for new mics. anyone here using the Sound
> Professional Cardiods or
> Omni (Audio Techinica 853) ?? Any good? pro/cons? i
> am using OKMIIRS now,
> but they are way fragile and the adapter sucks. let
> me know,
> Bas
>
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From: Michael Melone <memelone@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: ISO: SP-CMC-4 (AT853) mic users
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:00:28 -0700 (PDT)
I have the cardoids. I've been using them about 2
months to make gig tapes of my band with a D7. I'm
very happy with the results I'm getting even though
I'm new to this type of recording.
I plan on using them for some stealth recording in the
near future.
Ciao
Mike
http://tupeloblue.com/
> From: "Bas Ruesink" <basruesink@hotmail.com>
> Subject: ISO: SP-CMC-4 (AT853) mic users
> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:22:02 +0200
>
> Looking for new mics. anyone here using the Sound
> Professional Cardiods or
> Omni (Audio Techinica 853) ?? Any good? pro/cons? i
> am using OKMIIRS now,
> but they are way fragile and the adapter sucks. let
> me know,
> Bas
>
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From: jjjewett <jjjewett@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: FS: Sony ECM-959A
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:31:29 -0400
I am selling my Sony ECM959-A stereo mic. This is a two point mic
with two patterns (45=B0 and 90=B0). I will also add a stand with it.
Its not a super stable as the bogen stands, but it will work. All
you need is a MD or DAT deck to start taping.
Comes with origonal case, windscreen, mic clip, mini-tripod, and 1/8"
inch stereo cable extender (20 ft).
$100
Thanks,
John Jewett
jjjewett@syr.edu
From: jjjewett <jjjewett@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: FS: Mindprint Di-Port 24-Bit preamp/ADC/DAC
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:32:56 -0400
Mindprint Di-Port: $200
Purchased new in 9-02. Its a two-channel 24-bit preamp/ADC/DAC. It
has an analog in (RCA, 1/4", or XLR w/48V phantom power and preamp),
digital in through coax and optical. monitor out through RCA and
headphone jack, DAC which will lock to any word clock, coax and
optical outs. Also a 1/4" headphone jack with good headphone amp (drives my
akg501's and senn. hd280's nicely).
For $200 this is really a steal. It has served as my preamp, 24-bit
A/D, and 24-bit D/A so everyone that wants to listen to 24-bit
files, you need a 24-bit D/A to hear the extra 8 bits.
This unit is AC powered though. I have had success using it in the
field with a Vector DC/AC pocket inverter which I got for $30 new.
Comes with original manual, original box, and wall wart I purchased from
rat-shack. Email me with any questions.
John Jewett
jjjewett@syr.edu
http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/news/282/#body
http://www.sound-music.com/product_info.php?PID=67
http://www.mindprint.com/english/PDF/bdadip.pdf
From: Random Gnome Generator <clhoo@rocketmail.com>
Subject: FS: CSC mics
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:00:59 -0700 (PDT)
For sale: Core Sound Cardioids w/ battery box and windscreens,
asking $175.
Email: clhoo@rocketmail.com
Thanks,
Cindy
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From: Smashmark@aol.com
Subject: A few new masters for trade...
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:01:42 -0400
Just did 2 nice masters that im in the process of transferring to CD:
Motorhead/Dio/Iron Maiden 7/26/03 Jones Beach
Sheryl Crow 7/28/03 Bowery Ballroom (benefit show, tons of great covers and special guests)
Im looking to trade for some recent:
Foo fighters/pete yorn
Sammy Hagar/Skynyrd
Rollins Band shows (the Black Flag sets)
Sonic Youth/Wilco
Thorns/Jayhawks
Lollapalooza
Ringo's Allstars
Bon Jovi (especially itnerested in the 1/2 acoustic shows)
Nada Surf
Brendan Benson
Coldplay
Van Morrison
Boston
Norah Jones (especially interested in the beacon shows)
New Pornographers
Glenn Tilbrook
Elvis Costello
And would LOVE to find someone who taped the Siren Festival at Coney Island
Or tempt me with anything else, im easy
Thanx!
From: CHRIS FELDOTT <chrisfeldott@comcast.net>
Subject: Iso: wxrt 7/4/03 Chicago broadcast....
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:07:04 -0500
of Pete Yorn and Wallflowers from Grant Park. Tons to trade. CDR
preferred.
Thanks
Chris
chrisfeldott@comcast.net
cdr list:
http://hometown.aol.com/darkstarracing/myhomepage/collection.html
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