DAT-heads Digest #855
Contents:
Jitter-Killer? Digital sources: DAT vs. CD ("Jamie Lutch")
Jitter-Killer? Digital sources: DAT vs. CD (Keith Bode)
equipment ("Ketan M Vakil")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #854 ("JASON BRANTLEY")
Re: Nakamichi CM300 microphones and DPA 4011 microphones (Tom McCreadie)
Any Robert Randolph and The Family Band? ("DANIEL THWEATT")
TDK DC4-60 DDS tapes ok? (Rob Gronotte)
ISO Page/Plant 2/26/98 Katowice soundboard (John)
FS: AT853 and extras ("Eric Phipps")
stealth rig for sale with free d-8 ("jacob lemberg")
GEAR FOR SALE! (aneurhythms@ziplip.com)
From: "Jamie Lutch" <jlutch@altairinc.com>
Subject: Jitter-Killer? Digital sources: DAT vs. CD
Reply-to: jlutch@altairinc.com
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:38:40 -0700
Just a fair warning that a lot of people on this list would probably take
exception to the fact that a person can hear a difference in sound from
digital cables. There would have to be an extreme amount of jitter to make
the difference from the two digi outs sound different, I doubt that both
devices are operating that out-of-spec, theres prob. something youre
missing
it is a fact that the dat format is indeed superior to cd (all bits being
equal), due to the higher allowable sample rate.
I would start by comparing the integrity of the two sources. How was the
copy generated? thru a possibly resampling signal path? Has there been any
testwork done on the bit-accuracy of the cd digital out, or is it assumed?
A good way to do it would be to route the two signals to a soundcard,
record, and compare them, you may find that the data itself is different,
ruling out jitter as your problem.
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Jitter-Killer? Digital sources: DAT vs. CD
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 22:41:15 -0700
>
>
>I thought all my digital sources would sound the same when played via
>the ECD-1 but now I find that the sound from my CD-player is much
>better than from the Tascam although the digital cabling is the same
>for both.
>
>Isn't the digital input the same from CD as from a digital copy from
>that same CD to a DAT?
>
I have 2 DAT decks currently, and I have a basic Sony CD changer,
nothing remotely audiophile about my CD changer or my 10 year old Sony
reciever. I have a Tascam DA 20 MK II also, and a Sony DTC 60-ES. The
sony is the one I have hooked up to use for everyday listening. IMO, my
Sony DAT deck sound vastly better than my CD player. I take it even
further to Analog Reel to Reel. I've recorded from my computer digital
sound card to a ART DI/O A>D, D>A converter, and convert my shows from
Digital back to Analog on a Teac X-1000 Reel to Reel. One big problem
with doing this is good 10.5" reels of tape are expensive. A reel of
Quantegy 456 in quantities of 10 or more reels is about $21. That's a
2500' reel, which gives a recording time of close to 4.5 hour 3 3/4
ips. Of all the music sources I've ever heard, I think the reel to reel
is the best sounding. Unfortunately, they are virtually all out of
production.
I wish I had some solution on the jitter problem to share with you.
Keith
From: "Ketan M Vakil" <Ketan@ketanvakil.com>
Subject: equipment
Reply-To: Ketan@ketanvakil.com
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 01:54:05 -0400 (EDT)
If anyone has a mic stand (bogen or AEA) / accessories (like shocks) I can
use with AT853 mics they are trying to get rid of, can you send me a note?
I suppose if anyone out there wants to get rid of a pair of those mics
too, that would be cool.
I am planning on purchasing the microphones and battery module on
soundprofessionals.com
Thanks!
Ketan
From: "JASON BRANTLEY" <jbboulder@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #854
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 02:04:55 -0600
2. Anyone hear and have an opinion on the DPA 4011 series microphones?
>
>The best cardioid mics available.
>Seth
>
Hmm... Strong opinion! I'd say there are a couple of other cardioid mics
out there that could give those 4011's a run for there money.
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Hmm lets see how bout the DPA 4022's or the 4023's compacts. %^) It's all
down hill from there.
No doubt DPA makes the best card mics around! 4011, 4022, and 4023 all have
the same capsule.
Consider the compacts if your ever in the need of a low profile or stealth
rig. Cost you a bit more, but leaves you more overall options. If you have
a set application and the 4011's fit it and are priced right then you can't
go wrong there either.
JB
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From: Tom McCreadie <mccreadi@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Nakamichi CM300 microphones and DPA 4011 microphones
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 11:01:50 +0200
Rick in #854:
> 1. Who manufactured the CM300 Nak mics?
I believe the mics were oem'd by Primo, who also rebadged them for other
Japanese manufacturers. For example the Teac ME-120 is the same, and once
saw a silver-bodied JVC consumer mic in the UK - forget the model nr. -
which looked and sounded the same and could even interchange capsules with
the Nak.
Primo also manufactured the bigger brother Nak CM-700, with slightly better
capsules and phantom powering. I understand this is also available as the
Crown CM-700. I've used but don't own the Nak mics. Frankly the CM-300 was
OK but so-so...like Gustav Mahler, it was always in grave danger of being
taken too seriously <g>
Tom
From: "DANIEL THWEATT" <thweatt62040@msn.com>
Subject: Any Robert Randolph and The Family Band?
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:26:52 -0500
Anyone have recordings of Robert Randolph and The Family Band? This guy is a
freaking MONSTER on guitar! I haven't been as excited about a band in quite
some time.
Have a nice day, Danny
My trade page:
www.sanctifiedpress.com/trade.html
From: Rob Gronotte <rob@patriot.net>
Subject: TDK DC4-60 DDS tapes ok?
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:26:40 -0400 (EDT)
As some of you may know, one of the major online DAT merchants has a sale
on no-logo, but made by TDK, DC4 60m DDS tapes. Does anyone have recent
experience (good or bad) with these? I had heard several years ago to
avoid some TDK DATs, but I don't know how reliable to the info was or if
it was a specific type.
Rob
Why don't you come up and surf me sometime? --> http://www.patriot.net/users/rob
From: John <jjq68@optonline.net>
Subject: ISO Page/Plant 2/26/98 Katowice soundboard
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:27:12 -0400
Hello Everyone:
Looking to set up a quickie trade for the following show:
2/26/98 Spodek Hall, Katowice, Poland
L' Evolution De LZ Continues Vol. 2 (EV - 2CDR) - Soundboard
I have plenty Led Zep and related to offer.
Thanks
John
From: "Eric Phipps" <phippsce@muohio.edu>
Subject: FS: AT853 and extras
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:55:59 -0400
i have a complete sp at853 setup for sale. all in very good shape, hasnt
been used but 5 times probably. i have the original paper work for
everything. included are the mics, battery box with bass rolloff, extra
cable for length, tbar, and screens. i can take pictures of anything upon
request. i am willing to talk about a price. please email me if
interested, this is all in very good shape, thanks for the space
eric phipps
ericphipps@hotmail.com
From: "jacob lemberg" <jacoblemberg@hotmail.com>
Subject: stealth rig for sale with free d-8
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:36:38 -0700
Hi, I have been out of the loop for a while, and have decided to depart
with my rig which consists of: One set of dpa heb 4061 mics which terminate
in xlr's. two battery boxes (standard and bass roll off). A zefiro inbox(
a/d converter/preamp) with the extra jack for connecting to sony 7-pin
portables. the other two outlets are optical and a coaxial. This rig was
purchased new in the spring of 99 for about $1,400, and has been used no
more than twenty times, and is in excellent shape. I will consider all
serious/realistic offers, and can e-mail photos to those who are interested.
In addition I will throw in a sony d-8 that has seen better days but still
records perfectly. It does have issues at times with
loading/fast-forwarding and other weird stuff. I will also throw in a few
various 7-pin wires, some unprescribed glasses for mounting, a few blank
dat tapes, and a handy bag to carry it all in, with lots of pockets. Thanks
for your time > jacob
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From: aneurhythms@ziplip.com
Subject: GEAR FOR SALE!
Reply-To: aneurhythms@ziplip.com
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:39:28 -0700 (PDT)
I still have the following items up for sale:
Sound Devices MP-2 (2ch. mic. pre) w/ (2)XL-15 (15db att. cables XLR>XLR) = $400
Sony SBM-1 (Super Bit Mapper) - factory orig./no mod! = $400
* includes ALL accessories (pleather case, ac adapter, etc.)
Sony TCD-D100 (DAT recorder) w/ coax>7-pin>coax mod. digital cable (RK-DA10) = $400
* pleather case, ac adapter, remote/headphones, etc.)
All items come with ALL original paperwork, manuals, box, and are in excellent new condition and have been very well cared for.
Email me if you have any further questions at all.
Peace,
-TaperB
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