DAT-heads Digest #857
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Jitter-Killer? Digital sources: DAT vs. CD (ev)
RE:Nakamichi CM300 microphones and DPA 4011 microphones ("Onno J.R. Bakker")
A Perfect Circle Montreal ("Bound to Green")
Re: DAT v CD quality (Gary Gilliland)
ISO Primus Tapers>> Final Tour Dates ("Tatina, Bill")
iso: metallica ("Tatina, Bill")
iso at831b ("Jofa Jofa")
FCC: All Hands On Deck (Klay Anderson)
RE: Jitter killer ("Jamie Lutch")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #856 ("Steve Sanford")
might have extra PLQ tix for Warfield (Dean)
Yohimbe Bros. (Joshua)
Re: Re: My details
FS: Beyer MV100 (Greg)
From: ev <ericmv17@optonline.net>
Subject: Jitter-Killer? Digital sources: DAT vs. CD
Reply-to: ev <eric@vandercar.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 23:22:53 -0400
> >I thought all my digital sources would sound the same when played via
> >the ECD-1 but now I find that the sound from my CD-player is much
> >better than from the Tascam although the digital cabling is the same
> >for both.
> >
> >Isn't the digital input the same from CD as from a digital copy from
> >that same CD to a DAT?
> >
>
> I have 2 DAT decks currently, and I have a basic Sony CD changer,
> nothing remotely audiophile about my CD changer or my 10 year old Sony
> reciever. I have a Tascam DA 20 MK II also, and a Sony DTC 60-ES. The
> sony is the one I have hooked up to use for everyday listening. IMO, my
> Sony DAT deck sound vastly better than my CD player. I take it even
What sounds superior is the DAC in your DAT player relative to the cheap
(e.g. $20 DAC they stick in the CD players). If your CD player has a
digital out, connect that to the digital in of your DAT deck with the DAT in
monitor mode. Assuming you play a CDR made from a DAT mastered as a digital
clone, they will sound identical. You are not hearing differences caused by
jitter but rather by the subjectivity of the DACs in the various devices.
> further to Analog Reel to Reel. I've recorded from my computer digital
> sound card to a ART DI/O A>D, D>A converter, and convert my shows from
> Digital back to Analog on a Teac X-1000 Reel to Reel. One big problem
> with doing this is good 10.5" reels of tape are expensive. A reel of
> Quantegy 456 in quantities of 10 or more reels is about $21. That's a
> 2500' reel, which gives a recording time of close to 4.5 hour 3 3/4
> ips. Of all the music sources I've ever heard, I think the reel to reel
> is the best sounding. Unfortunately, they are virtually all out of
> production.
peace, further...
e
From: "Onno J.R. Bakker" <onnosr@bakker.info>
Subject: RE:Nakamichi CM300 microphones and DPA 4011 microphones
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:16:16 +0200
Both the C300 and the 4011 are (back) ELECTRET mikes and not
real condenser mikes like f.i. the Neumans are.
Onno
From: "Bound to Green" <jesusishererun@hotmail.com>
Subject: A Perfect Circle Montreal
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:25:45 -0400
9-6-03 APC in Montreal master recording available for trade for anyone
willing to mail first.
Other tapers only please, extremely limited trading on this one (I've
already seen some friend's APC shows end up on ebay and I don't want to see
mine up there)
Keith
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From: GaryG@Use-Email.Net (Gary Gilliland)
Subject: Re: DAT v CD quality
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:19:06 -0600 (MDT)
Hi..
Jörg, before you drop 500E on another DAT deck, take time enough to be certain the problem is not an inadequate CD extraction to DAT that is the source of the bother. If possible do an EAC extraction of a representative CD and use this as the source for making another DAT on your DA20MkII. Then compare the two DATs with each other & with the CD playback.
Based on what you have written so far, it would be astonishing if 500E for an ES deck is what stands between the results you hear and the ones you desire.
Hope this helps,
Gary Gilliland
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: ISO Primus Tapers>> Final Tour Dates
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:31:59 -0700
FINAL TOUR DATES (& special Warfield/Halloween presale)
Primus' Tour de Fromage is complete. Les Claypool, Larry Lalonde and Tim
Alexander return to the road.
TOUR de FROMAGE - FINAL TOUR DATES
Tue-Oct 14 Davis, CA Freeborn Hall=20
Wed-Oct 15 Las Vegas The Joint=20
Fri-Oct 17 Los Angeles The Wiltern (sold out)
Sat-Oct 18 Los Angeles The Wiltern=20
Sun-Oct 19 Phoenix Celebrity Theatre=20
Tue-Oct 21 Denver The Fillmore=20
Wed-Oct 22 Salt Lake City Salt Air=20
Fri-Oct 24 Vancouver, BC Vogue Theatre
Sat-Oct 25 Eugene, OR Hult Center
Sun-Oct 26 Seattle Paramount Theatre=20
Tue-Oct 28 Eureka, CA Municipal Auditorium=20
Wed-Oct 29 Santa Cruz, CA Civic Center
Fri-Oct 31 San Francisco The Warfield=20
Thu-Nov 06 Minneapolis State Theatre=20
Fri-Nov 07 Chicago Riviera Theatre=20
Sat-Nov 08 Milwaukee Eagles Ballroom=20
Sun-Nov 09 Detroit State Theatre=20
Tue-Nov 11 Columbus PromoWest Pavilion=20
Wed-Nov 12 Cleveland Agora Ballroom=20
Fri-Nov 14 New York Roseland=20
Sat-Nov 15 Philadelphia Tower Theatre=20
Sun-Nov 16 Washington, DC Nation
Tue-Nov 18 Boston Orpheum Theatre=20
Wed-Nov 19 Portland, ME State Theatre=20
Thu-Nov 20 Burlington, VT Memorial Auditorium
Sat-Nov 22 Montreal Metropolis=20
Sun-Nov 23 Toronto Kool Haus=20
All shows will be two full sets by the band, featuring an ever changing
first set, followed by a one time only complete performance of the
pinnacle Primus masterpiece, "Sailing The Seas of Cheese."
We are sorry we can't make it to all of the regions this time (like the
whole Southeast for instance). If Primus tours again next year, these
areas will be the first priority.
For more info, ticket onsale dates and purchase links:
http://www.primussucks.com/frames/ftour.html
For those of you planning to attend the Halloween show in San Francisco,
we have just arranged for another special presale starting today 9/5 at
noon pacific and lasting until tomorrow saturday, 9/6 at 5 pm. The
password is "sucks." The link:
http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1C003707E59E6DB9
There will be a costume contest at this show for the best Primus
character costume.
Also, there is a possibility of a second Warfield show on Thursday,
10/30. If the first show sells out quickly this sunday (9/7) when
tickets are made available to the public, we may roll right into the
second show. SO stay tuned on sunday to both the tour page and/or the
Bull Board.
Animals Should Not Try to Act Like People, the new DVD/EP, will be in
stores 10/7. For more information on this three-hour, career-spanning
DVD, with a bonus disc of five brand new songs by the original band
line-up, go to:
http://www.primussucks.com/animals/
Presale will begin 9/9/03. www.primussucks.com=20
=09
From: "Tatina, Bill" <Bill.Tatina@nordstrom.com>
Subject: iso: metallica
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:40:55 -0700
iso: Metallica 8/29 New York New York Bowery Ballroom Clubbers Show=20
also looking for the complete dat/fm sources, not the mp3 version.
Metallica:
10-06-96 birmingham UK
10-06-94 county fairgrounds, middleton,ny
07-08-98 blossom music fest, cleveland ,oh
From: "Jofa Jofa" <rtj_22@hotmail.com>
Subject: iso at831b
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:15:46 +0000
Hi everyone!
I’m looking for a pair of gently used AT831B mics + a battery box. I hope
that someone here on the list can help me out. Please reply off list with
info/price.
rtj_22@hotmail.com
Cheers, Robert
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From: Klay Anderson <klay@klay.com>
Subject: FCC: All Hands On Deck
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 10:38:13 -0600
The Senate will likely vote in the next week on rolling back the FCC rule
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Please forward this email -- we're hoping to get 100,000 signers for a press
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You've been a critical part of the movement to stop the FCC rule change and
media monopoly. This week or next, the Senate will vote on whether to roll
back the rule change. It could be very close. This vote is the Big One --
the last major vote in the Senate on this issue -- and we need your help
now. Please tell the Senate to put the FCC rule change to bed at:
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Then help us reach 100,000 signers by Wednesday by passing this message on
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If we can get 100,000 signers, we'll demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt
the breadth of support for the roll-back. It could mean the difference
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Last spring, MoveOn members joined with members of groups from Common Cause
and NOW to the NRA to voice our opposition to an FCC rule change that would
alter the dynamics of the American news media. The rule change proposed to
tear down old boundaries that controlled how much of the media in a given
community (and in the entire country) could be owned by one company.
After over 2 million Americans wrote the FCC to oppose the change, the FCC
chairman, Michael Powell, pushed through the rule change anyway, in a 3-2
party line vote. But Congress was watching, and when we asked Congress to
roll back the rule change, Senators and Representatives on both sides of the
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In July, the House struck down one piece of the rule change by a 400-to-21
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Now, in the next week, the final vote on rolling back the FCC rule change
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Thanks!
--
Regards,
Mr. Klay Anderson, D.A.,Q.B.E.
Klay Anderson Audio, Inc.
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From: "Jamie Lutch" <jlutch@altairinc.com>
Subject: RE: Jitter killer
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:02:40 -0700
>I'll probably have to go for a high-end DAT-deck on Ebay which
>hopefully has a better dig out than my current DA-20 Mk II. Even my
>humble old Aiwa HD-S200 portable seems to sound better (albeit
>marginally).
marginally because it sounds identical to your da-20, or any othe DAT deck
out there.
Your problem would be elsewhere, perhaps the digital out of the cd player
resamples or processes to some extent. how are the dat 'copies' of the cds
being made.
I would find it hard to beleive that cd player>digi out>dac
sounds different from the same cd player>digi out>DAT>digi out>dac
From: "Steve Sanford" <jigsawearth@lycos.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #856
Reply-To: jigsawearth@lycos.com
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:01:13 -0400
>All we're asking for is the cost of a decent blank CD in Toronto which
>is about CDN$0.75 a piece after taxes. That's about US$0.53 at the
>current exchange rates.
if people want to unload a bunch of discs and just get $$ to recoup the cost of blanks, they should then offer in return for blanks and not $200 + ,, must be pricey in toronto, i haven't paid that much for blanks in years,,
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From: Dean <dean@deanos.net>
Subject: might have extra PLQ tix for Warfield
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:57:58 -0400
Hey All,
Not sure yet but might have extras for the Phil shows at the Warfield
for Thursday and Friday nights. Two each night on the floor. Let me
know if interested and we'll set something up.
Face value
Dean
From: Joshua <sprung598@yahoo.com>
Subject: Yohimbe Bros.
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
Hello-
I'm looking for Yohimbe Bros recordings from last fall
- any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
-Josh
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Subject: Re: Re: My details
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:38:13 --0400
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From: Greg <dat-heads@tikcuf.com>
Subject: FS: Beyer MV100
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 22:34:31 -0400
I have one used Beyer MV100 for sale:
http://www.tikcuf.com/rig/preamp.html
List price was close to $600, but I am looking to get $300 or best offer.
Please email me off list.
Thanks
Greg
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