DAT-heads Digest #876, Volume #6 Sat, 27 Sep 03 22:50:00 EDT Contents: RE: hyper-card mic questions ("DRider") Farrar 2003 bittorrent available ("Scott Goodwin") Stereo microphones (Carlos Martinez) FS: Misc Nak stuff...This is all that I have left! (Eric Eckberg) Mini-me or Sound Device 722 ("Migs") ACL Festival Post-Mortem ("Brian Dipert") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DRider" Subject: RE: hyper-card mic questions Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:26:49 -0400 From: "Erik Heath" Subject: hyper-cardiod mic questions Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 03:37:30 +0000 I'm posting this for a buddy of mine, he tried to post to the list himself...but couldn't get it to work. thanks in advance! his email: thetapeape@yahoo.com my questions are: a. what is optimal placement of the mics on the stand (x/y... ortf...) the same distance back from the stage as the stacks are apart for example - if the stacks are 40 feet apart put your stand 40 feet back from the stage try to make a perfect triangle of course, this is a best case scenario and we all know when you get down to this detail the venue layout, soundboard placement, lighting board placement, venue personnel and other factors all come into play b. what is optimal positioning in the venue? centered? if off to a side - how should I point the mics? wow, slow down there buddy ") dfc (that's dead f#*!in' Center, in case you did not figure that out ") is nearly always optimal in an open taping situation but then again factors may come into play that may limit your options "how to point" the mics has to do w/ the pattern of the mic itself and where you can setup and we are still talkin' "open taping" stealth mode could be a different story c. I was told when using the cardiod mics - to point them just wide of the stacks... how should I point the hypers? assuming I was centered - at the stacks? just wide? wider than if I was using cardiods? experience has taught me that ORTF is the optimal position in many cases when using cards, but x/y might work better depending where you are in the venue and what you are trying to accomplish if it's all instrumental music and you are allowed to tape from the stage x/y would be the way to go instead of ORTF you should be seeing that this is not a cut and dried thang ") at some point the taper's personal preference is going to come into play not in the beginning maybe... in the beginning a taper can just be desperate not to mess up and come away w/ something respectable could this be your situation? ") d. can I use the hypercardiods close to a stack? if so - how would I point them? I like taping close to a stack to minimize crowd noise - and for the 'in your face' recordings... hypers close to the stacks - not necessarily the optimal place for them of course the definition of "close" comes into play first 10 rows - may not be good in certain venues but where are the stacks? and are you in the center? too close and you will miss out on vocals and bass w/ hypers if you are dfc can you hoist the stand and get alot of the stacks in an ORTF pattern?? if so, then you can swing it if you only have hypers and you are off to the side - x/y or straight for the stacks would be the best hoist if possible this is just scratching the surface and tapers differ in opinions if you can be more specific w/ your situation, better advice can be had Peace, D ------------------------------ From: "Scott Goodwin" Subject: Farrar 2003 bittorrent available Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:15:42 -0700 http://www.sharingthegroove.org/msgboard/attachment.php?s=&postid=116157 Jay Farrar & Canyon 23 Sep 03 Milwaukee, WI Shank Hall Taper: Dan Krass (dankrass@wi.rr.com) Location: 5' LOB, Behind Seated Crowd Recording: Oktava MK012s (Cardioid, DIN, 8' High) > Ramtech FLEX2000 Mic Cables > Denecke PS-2 > Audio-Technica CP8201 Line Transformers > Oade modSBM-1 > Sony PCM-M1 Transfer: DAT-M in Seagate CTD8000HS > dat2wav 1.2 > CDWav > FLAC NOTES: -Recording information is the same for Canyon's opening set except I went line-in on the M1 and skipped the SBM-1. -d2t04, 2:05-07; digital noise ------------------------------ From: Carlos Martinez Subject: Stereo microphones Reply-To: Carlos Martinez Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:43:19 -0300 Hi! Which stereo microphone has given better quality results in non-stealth conditions? The first model of my very short list seems to be the Audio Technica AT-835ST, as perhaps providing the best for the money relationship. But there might be others I would like to know of. An experience feedback would be greatly appreciated. Carlos E. Martinez mailto:carlmart@centroin.com.br ------------------------------ From: Eric Eckberg Subject: FS: Misc Nak stuff...This is all that I have left! Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:15:58 -0700 (PDT) This is the last of my Nak equipment for sale. I am pretty firm on price, but will take offers. (1) CM300 Nak bodies w/cp-1,cp-2, boxes, clips ($125 + S/H) (3) NEW batteries for the NAKs ($5 each) (1) MX100 Nak mixer unmodded (new all docs and box) ($80 + S/H) (1) 4' RCA->RCA right angle cable -Mogami- ($15 +S/H) (1) 20' 4 XLR->4 right-angle phono plug snake cable (has one extra output) specially designed for NAK 3 mic setup-had one extra output put on just in case -Mogami- ($85 + S/H) shmurg@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Migs" Subject: Mini-me or Sound Device 722 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:08:51 -0400 I'm wondering if I should purchase a mini-me and use it with my VAIO srx87 via USB or purchase the Sound Device 722? Not sure I would really need the 744T it's a little over kill for concert recording. I want to start getting away from using DAT. Please tell me your opinion on this matter. Thanks, Migs ------------------------------ From: "Brian Dipert" Subject: ACL Festival Post-Mortem Reply-To: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:02:06 -0700 First off, my apologies for the two-days-ago blank posting. It reflected my accidentally pressing 'send' instead of 'save' in Outlook as I was constructing the distribution list! I thought you might be interested in the results of my testing of Core Sound's (www.core-sound.com) PDAudio-CF and Mic2496, along with Gidluck Mastering's (www.gidluckmastering.com) Live2496 and Pocco Software's (www.poccosoftware.com) Wichita recording software, at last weekend's Austin City Limits Music Festival (with limited prior testing a few weeks earlier at the Trinity Tribal Stomp). The writeup is quite lengthy and will be updated in the future, so instead of including it here, the link is: http://www.reed-electronics.com/ednmag/media/acl2003.htm Any and all feedback is welcomed! Today I mailed DVD-Rs to both Len from Core Sound and Gordon from Gidluck Mastering, with an encouragement to post portions or entire sets of my recordings to their websites for you to download (my IT folks would be very very unhappy with me if I put GBytes' worth of audio files on EDN's servers, I think!). By the way, as I state in my writeup: "Bottom line: I'm doing something I've been contemplating for some time. I'm selling all my DAT-related gear. I can frankly think of no better testimonial to the capability of both the hardware and software I tested at ACL and the other HDD-based recording hardware and software I've used in the past, such as Creative Labs' Nomad Jukebox 3." I'll be posting on Ebay my Sony TCD-D8 portable and PCM-R300 full-size DAT decks, my Sony SBM-1 mic pre and ADC, my Sony RM-D3K 'system adapter' (remote control) for the D8, cables from the proprietary Sony digital connector to both S/PDIF optical and coax (passive), an EcoCharge battery system, and a bunch of blank tapes. All gear is in excellent working and cosmetic shape, and comes complete with (as appropriate) remote controls, AC adapters, rack mounts, etc. When I get the auctions posted (hopefully tomorrow), you can find them here: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=bldipert Thanks in advance for your interest, and apologies to anyone I've offended with this 'commercial'. I hope that the value of the information in my review above more than compensates..... Regards, ============================== Brian Dipert Technical Editor: Mass Storage, Memory, Multimedia, PC Core Logic and Peripherals, and Programmable Logic EDN Magazine: http://www.edn.com 5000 V Street Sacramento, CA 95817 (916) 454-5242 (voice), (617) 558-4470 (fax) mailto:bdipert@edn.com Visit me at http://www.bdipert.com ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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