DAT-heads Digest #942
Contents:
RE: Making copies for bands (Chris Mueller)
RE: Sharpies and Stickies ("Bob Griesel")
Cheap TY Media (Keith Bode)
ISO: Lonnie Smith & David "Fathead" Newman - live Beck (hewitt)
Re: CD quality, Taiwan vs. Japan, labeling, etc. ("DCA")
FT: Tortoise 11/28/03 ("john van")
FS: pair schoeps ccm4 mics ("Chuck Tombasco")
More Fuji Deals ("Gary Davis")
Yamaha CD-RW and 99 870 mb discs (Michael P Murphy)
Need Help Editing Music ("Kenneth Dudzik")
RE: Giving the band a copy of the show you taped (Phil Thenstedt)
Re: CDR's, Sharpies, and Longevity/durability ("Steve Sanford")
ISO Luke Vibert(!) and Jazz post (TRANEHEAD@aol.com)
re: Sharpies on CD-R's (fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov)
Fwd: Fw: New Government Logo ("Cal S.")
From: Chris Mueller <camueller79@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Making copies for bands
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:40:01 -0600
>> I found myself less motivated to send or give (in person) bands
>> copies of shows I taped, for a variety of reasons. If the band
>> wanted a copy so bad, why don't they hire someone to tape thier
>> shows?
> I don't know what sort of bands yinz tape, but most bands I tape (and
> friends that are in bands, etc) are not career musicians and have
> second/day jobs. People that play music because they honestly love
> music, and tour because they like playing shows in different cities.
> Most people I know save up money to go on tour so they can afford to
> do so. Then pile in a beat up van with some other smelly punk
> rockers playing equally smelly basements playing to equally smelly
> kids. And then do it all again when they can next. (that last bit
> was not trying to poke fun at any scene, but rather said lovingly)
> I've thought about touring with friends bands just to tape them on
> >tour, but I haven't yet reached a point where I'm able to quit any
> job for >any period of time to do so. Also the punk/HC/metal scene
> here in >Columbus, Ohio is pretty small so if I don't tape a show,
> odds are it won't get taped. It'd be silly to hold onto something
> and keep others from hearing it.
>
> r.
Very good point. If you're taping mainstream, or at least near
mainstream, then yeah I'd say they should already be taping themselves.
And if they are using any of your ideas without giving you at least
credit, then f**k them. As a matter of fact, I'd love to know their
names so I make sure never to attend a show.
I sometimes tape local bands around here and lots of them haven't ever
even thought of recording their shows, or they just couldn't afford to
get someone to do it for them.
From: "Bob Griesel" <sundance@olywa.net>
Subject: RE: Sharpies and Stickies
Reply-To: <sundance@olywa.net>
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:59:48 -0800
YES! Your mileage may vary with Sharpies, but sticky notes or
other adhesives are known enemies.
Someone made a comment about the coating on the top of the
disc. This coating is very important because the top of the disc
is actually more subject to damage than the bottom. You may be
able to polish imperfections out of the thick plastic on the bottom,
but the top is totally unforgiving if it receives damage.
Since I don't always know what the top layer is made of, I stay
away from Sharpies on the top except in areas which do not have
data burned. I've seen discs damaged by Sharpie ink on the top
for sure. The top coatings have improved, but why mess with it if
you expect the CD to still play in a few years?
Cheers
- Bob
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"People need celebration in their life. We need magic.
And bliss. . . its a part of the basic human experience. . ."
Jerry Garcia, 1989
>
> Here's a shocker; I had applied a Post-It onto the top side of a CDR with all
> of the info about that disk; song order/recordist/rig & Date & venue. I
> pulled the disc out to hear it (its in one of those CD notebooks), peeled off the
> Posty thing and THE SILVER SURFACE PULLED OFF too!! This was a TDK disc;
> suddenly I was looking through a clear section on the CD! Shit! Ruined! Be
> warned...
>
> D
>
From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Cheap TY Media
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:00:19 -0800
>
>
>Yes, good dye is important, and it sucks that we will no longer have
>the cheap TY fuji media.
>
Ben,
I don't know what you'd consider cheap, but last week, or the week
before there was a post from Media Supply offering TY media, not branded
for $25 per 100, plus shipping. Every day, no cuopon, no rebate, no
sale. That seems pretty cheap to me, If that don't cut it, define what
you would like to pay. They also sell DAT's for a bit cheaper than the
best price I've found elsewhere on Sony DG 60 and 90P's.
From: hewitt <hewitt@panix.com>
Subject: ISO: Lonnie Smith & David "Fathead" Newman - live Beck
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:04:15 -0700
Oops -- sorry for duplicate.
Anyone record these two old time maestros in New York a few months
back? Much to trade if so.
From: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: CD quality, Taiwan vs. Japan, labeling, etc.
Reply-To: "DCA" <phisher72@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:20:40 -0500
I agree with Ben's and other's posts that alluded to the fact that a lot of
the CD quality has to do with not only the country of origin and
manufacturer, but also the physical quality of appearance of the disc. I
agree if you are using the gazillion spool of the silver only discs that
cost - $0.001 after rebate, then you are more likely to have problems. You,
as the consumer, need to use discs that appear to be well made, not just
whether they are stamped with "Taiwan" or "Japan". I am sure there are
crappy disks out there made in Taiwan, but I firmly believe if you use well
known brand names, you will not have problems, no matter the country of
origin.
I also believe that they are most likely perfecting the process, and the
Taiwan (and even Japan) disks of today are much better than yesterday. You
really can't judge today's technology based on yesterday's technology.
Disks only a year or two ago were only good for 16x burning or less, now
many are 40x. I never burn at the fastest speed, but the disk has to be
better quality to be able to be certified at the higher burn speeds. You
also can't judge by small details like whether the disk is frosted in the
middle or not (maybe if it was a donut?) - that's probably just a difference
of the disk stock, cosmetic only.
As one writer on this list reprinted the quality statement of Fuji, that was
on both the Taiwan and Japan disks, reinforces my point that it depends on
the quality standards of the manufacturer - they should most definitely be
the same no matter where they are made, if they are controlled by a
reputable company. The disks will need to meet or exceed these standards.
The processes are set up to be the same in either Japanese or Taiwanese
soil. You only have to worry if you are using generic product, or something
like that.
Don't want to imply anything here, but it also depends on the quality of the
CD burner. I have never had a burn error with either my HP or Sony drives,
even when using the el cheapo silver disks (at one time, but don't use them
anymore).
As far as the marker discussion: water-based Sharpie vs. oil-based pen.....
I think the only issue there is longevity. I have seen some pens fade over
time. I can't read most of my VCR tape labels anymore - they have faded to
"blank". But, I have not seen the sharpies fade so far in the four years I
have been using them on CDs, and they do not cause any disk quality problems
whatsoever.
Dave
From: "john van" <jvan1975@hotmail.com>
Subject: FT: Tortoise 11/28/03
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:50:46 -0900
Recorded Tortoise last Friday night at the Abbey Pub, Chicago . DPA
4061s>M1 recorded close to the stacks (75 min) . Right now I'm mainly
looking for other high quality sets of Tortoise from '03, especially 6/13/03
Bonnaroo.
john
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From: "Chuck Tombasco" <chazthespazz@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS: pair schoeps ccm4 mics
Reply-To: chazthespazz4781@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:12:00 -0500
hey all,
i have made a few posts about selling my mics, but i have just been informed
that there may have been some trouble reaching me by clicking on my email
through the digest so i am going to try something different.
i have a pair of schoeps ccm4 mics with the factory schoeps cases,
windscreens and shockmounts. i am asking 1800 for the pair and the
accessories. if you are interested please email me at c_tombasco at yahoo.
thanks!
chuck tombasco :0)
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From: "Gary Davis" <g@hoxnet.com>
Subject: More Fuji Deals
Reply-to: g@hoxnet.com
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:04:30 -0800
At CompUSA, they have 75 Fuji/Japan discs in Jewel Cases for
$10 after rebate. They also have new "2-in-1" slim cases that hold
2 discs in one slim case.
At Office Max, they have a 30-pack of "color swirl Fuji discs"
(country of orgin unknown) for $1 after rebate.
--G
From: Michael P Murphy <gunkylol@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yamaha CD-RW and 99 870 mb discs
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:48:11 -0500
I have Yamaha CD-RW drive that says it supports 870 and 790 mb
discs for 99 and 90 minute record times. Has anyone used or even seen
any of these size blanks?
Anyone else used one of these drives or have an opinion on them?
They have a feature that at least sounds useful called Advanced Audio
Master Quality Recording System. It allegedly gives a better audio
disc...it uses more space,a 700 mb disc will only hold 600 or 650 mb
in this mode and it burns at 4x. Anybody know anything bout this?
Thanks, Michael
From: "Kenneth Dudzik" <kdudzik@dietrichdesigngroup.com>
Subject: Need Help Editing Music
Reply-To: <kdudzik@dietrichdesigngroup.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:41:08 -0600
Hi All,
I recorded Junior Brown last Wednesday night in Chicago and the sound guy
was cool enough to let me plug in. I was not anticipating plugging in so I
brought my mics and not my RCA plugs so I ended up using a 1/4 inch adaptor
into the SBD and an 1/8th inch into my D8. I did not have any headphones
with me so I could not listen to the recording while I was taping. After the
show, I played back the tape and it is slightly distorted at points where
it's very loud. During any vocals, snare drum, high guitar notes etc. As if
the levels out to my DAT were too high.
Is there any software out there that can help me reduce or completely clear
up the distortion? I have cool Edit 2000 but I have not figured out what I
can do to fix this. So far I have recorded four shows in a row with
problems. I guess I have bad luck. :-( Any help would be excellent. Thanks,
Ken
From: Phil Thenstedt <phil.thenstedt@zones.com>
Subject: RE: Giving the band a copy of the show you taped
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:16:33 -0800
I think a lot of people have missed the point of this whole thing. In this
case the band requested 'if you tape, we want a copy'. It's a pretty simple
statement and not too hard to fulfill...a $2 dat clone, or $1 worth of cd's
with less than $1 for postage. Sounds like a cheap and painless exchange to
me.
As for Critters Buggin:
Critters Buggin did a full tour in 2001, which ended in October of that
year. They played a show in New Orleans in May 2003 and just played a show
on Halloween. Between these 2 dates they recorded their next release which
is due early next year, a full tour should follow. I know I'm looking
forward to that, taping or not!
===
From: "Bruce Burnett" <peacefrog@primusvan.zzn.com>
Subject: Giving the band a copy of the show you taped
Reply-To: peacefrog@primusvan.zzn.com
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:27:17 -0800
First of all,
Yes, this is a 2 way street, I agree.
I found myself less motivated to send or give (in person) bands
copies of shows I taped, for a variety of reasons.
If the band wanted a copy so bad, why don't they hire someone to tape
thier shows?
I don't like being accused of having a SBD patch, when I crank out a
good aud tape. I don't like the vocals being turned down in the hall,
so I have to go buy a SBD from the bands website. I don't like to
make a suggestion about CD artwork (and it gets used) and not even
receive as much as a "hey, that's a great idea".
Critters Buggin hasn't played in years, so I don't think that is
valid, and I don't tape Galactic so I don't care.
BB
From: "Steve Sanford" <jigsawearth@lycos.com>
Subject: Re: CDR's, Sharpies, and Longevity/durability
Reply-To: jigsawearth@lycos.com
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:24:31 -0500
>silver powder coat, recent AT&T branded discs). I
>usually try to purchase discs that have as complete a
>top coat as possible, and NEVER buy "silver" discs
>that have no top protective coating.
great point, i'm sure we've all be had by mitsui silvers flaking on us, this is much worse than a errors during burning,, archiving on these blanks is a complete waste of time
steve s
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From: TRANEHEAD@aol.com
Subject: ISO Luke Vibert(!) and Jazz post
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:57:54 EST
did anyone tape his set w/ Plaid in L.A. or other US cities??? it was
incredible...!
PLEASE HAVE MERCY! my batteries ran out after 25 mins... lots of electronica
to share.
thanks.
also, if your waiting on reponse to my Jazz post, i got a ton of requests so
please be a little patient. i will get to you very soon.
bright moments,
Geoff
From: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov
Subject: re: Sharpies on CD-R's
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:51:36 -0500 (EST)
keith b. said:
> As this was just mentioned in the digest, I thought I'd put in my
> annecdotal positive experience. I have been writing on the back of
> CD-R's for 3 years with sharpies. I use fine and extra fine point
> sharpies. People's CD's I send out, I only write in the center area.
> On my own I write anyplace on the non-recorded side. I have never, ever
> had any of the discs I wrote on fail for any reason. Several years ago,
> I read the same comment from someone else, I believe it was Seth, in
> this forum.
my experience is the exact same as the above, no problems.
--
thanx,
fish
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From: "Cal S." <sproutzee@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Fwd: Fw: New Government Logo
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:55:54 -0500 (EST)
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