How do I identify CDR media manufacturer?

DAT-heads Digest #949, Volume #6 Sat, 6 Dec 03 14:50:01 EST Contents: How do I identify CDR media manufacturer? ("Cruz, Charles") U2 rare trade ("Olivier Toinet") Sharpies and Terrible Packaging ("Mickey Forvey") Re: 90m data tape (tom groff) 90m data tape ("DRider") Re: Insufficient packaging ("matt Sohn") Re: Insufficient packaging ("DRider") ISO:Okkervil River and Coral shows ("Marcello") ISO Fiona Apple ("Bound to Green") ISO: Eminem & Ludicris(?)...Again (Marv Van Haitsma) disk trading (Matthew Thayer) biography of Traffic's Chris Wood (RRopek@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cruz, Charles" Subject: How do I identify CDR media manufacturer? Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:05:28 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. =======_NextPartTM=000=9d78866d=ec97=4ba1=8bf3=c70f40351a2b Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3BB6B.21767714" ======_=_NextPart_001_01C3BB6B.21767714 Content-Type: text/plain I think I saw some posts in the past about identifying/confirming CDR media manufacturer and other characteristics. I recently bought two 100 spindles of TY discs but as I've started into the first spindle I realized that there is nothing cosmetically on the discs that tells me they are TY discs. Is there some shareware that can be used to confirm the media mfr? Thanks, Charlie ======_=_NextPart_001_01C3BB6B.21767714 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do I identify CDR media manufacturer?

I think I saw some posts in the past = about identifying/confirming CDR media manufacturer and other = characteristics. I recently bought two 100 spindles of TY discs = but as I've started into the first spindle I realized that there is = nothing cosmetically on the discs that tells me they are TY = discs.

Is there some shareware that can be = used to confirm the media mfr?

Thanks,

Charlie

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Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ From: tom groff Subject: Re: 90m data tape Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:26:12 -0800 (PST) If you check out www.oade.com in the tapers section under general faq there is a question about "how to keep the heads clean." It mentions that oxide coating on 90m or longer tape may be more susceptible to coming of. And under "what a worn head looks like" it says a tape head after 3 months of using 90m tape. How are dds drives different so they can use these tapes? Or are the longer data tapes just considered for backup so they are rarely used and wouldnt have to worry about durability for that application? I would think you could then consider using them once for recording a show then transfer to 60m dats, or other digital media. Tom __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "DRider" Subject: 90m data tape Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:03:02 -0500 There are folks w/ DA-P1's that use 90m tapes to master all the time. I have an M1 which is basically the same as your d100. I normally use a 90m only when I "have to" and by that I mean if I know the band is going to play more than 2 hours w/o a break. If you have taped ABB, you know that they fit into this category. So when I tape them, I use a 90m. Other than that type of scenario, I stick to 60m for mastering. 90m tapes are not good for archiving. So the first thought that comes to mind should be your intentions for the recording. I have a friend that has been mastering on 90m DATs for 6 years in his DA-P1. He has never had it professionally cleaned or aligned. I can guarantee that some of his masters that are older will have increased error counts, especially after the 2 hour mark and very well could have digi-noise as well. If you just wanna get the show and transfer it to disc shortly thereafter and don't have any intentions of keeping the DAT for archiving purposes, you probably will be just fine. But if you want a show for your "collection" to break out and play several years down the road and you don't plan on doing any kind of backup, such as creating a shn file, you would be better off going w/ 2x60m DATs. The Oade's recommend that if you are going to use a 90m to master, that you clean your head afterward. This especially is recommended when taping on a Summer day in humid conditions, as the 90m DATs tent to shed more than the 60m DATs. You don't mention if you have a home deck or not. If you are using your d100 to master shows and then cloning w/ it back at home, back in the motel after the show, in the car on your way home (Hi, Boca Bob") etc. etc.. yeah, it's gonna wear out much faster than if you are using it just to master recordings and that's it. As far as the DATs themselves. I have found from experience that the newer Sony data-grade DATs (DG60P and DG90P) are a bit cheap. They have a tendency to be wound tight and the tape has a tendency to bind. It is not as noticeable w/ the 60m DATs as it is w/ the 90m DATs. I have a Sony PCM-R300 that I use for playback (to monitor the error count) and I use a Sony PCM-R500 to record. I personally believe that the R500 is the best pro deck on the market, but that's my opinion. One thing is for sure, it's a tank. These Sony DATs are the ONLY ones that have had "issues". If I do not "unpack" a new Sony 90m DAT before recording, it may make the R500 "click". This occurs because the tapes are wound so tight and because they bind. Trust me, I have experimented and tested this theory and I am confident enough in my findings to say this w/ confidence in this forum. I have also spoken to Doug Oade about this and he is in 100% agreement. When I figured this out, I stopped using these tapes for mastering. They record fine and play fine in my home decks, as long as I "unpack" the new ones. (Yes, I unpack the tapes that get sent to me for B&P's before I clone them for that person.) I never had a problem w/ them in my M1, but if my R500 has a problem w/ them fresh out of the wrapper, I am not going to risk it in the tiny M1. For mastering I only use the Maxell DATs made in Japan. Just a short blurb on the packaging topic. I don't really make any instructions w/ people I trade with.... it goes about as far as what length tapes they wanna use and that's about it. If I am using 60m DATs, I would like 60M DATs in trade. But if it's a multi-tape trade and there's some 60m DATs and some 90m DATs, I could care less if it's exactly the same tape for tape. 3x60m DATs and 2x90m DATs traded for 3x90m DATs and 2x60m DATs is no big deal. With really good friends like my bud Bill Tatina, I just send stuff I know he will want and he does the same. We don't really keep track, but that kinda thang only happens when I am pretty tight w/ someone. After all, it's all about the music! If an 80 min disc is needed to get all the music on one disc, the person needs to know that. If a show won't fit on a 90m DAT and 2x60m DATs are needed, the person needs to know that too. When I do B&P's, I always tell the person what length tape to send and include these guidelines: http://www.mcnichol.com/bnp/ unless I know the person or have done B&P's for them before. I also ask for a sealed DAT or a new DAT. I had a guy send a recycled DAT as a B&P once and it gunked up the head on my R500 pretty darn bad. I figure, if I am generous enough to clone a DAT for a person expecting nothing in return, that person can at least send a new tape. If someone else is doing a B&P for me, I follow their guidelines. It's just common courtesy and consideration. BWT: - DAT ONLY B&P Offer - to the first 2 to respond and the first Digester Gov't Mule 8/30/02, Buttermilk Mountain, CO ~ Snowmass Town Park ~ Source: ~ FOB ~ Master ~ Josephson C-603/KA-500(Hyper)>Denecke PS-1A's>Zefiro Inbox>PCM-M1 Travelin' Light, D-Rider Jacksonville, FL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: tom groff Subject: 90m data tape Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:02:27 -0800 (PST) Hi I am sure this has been discussed before but I was wondering how bad is it to use 90m data tape compared to 60m data or dat? I have heard that anything 90m or over can damage your heads, I guess some of the material on the tape is more likely to come off on thinner tapes, especially if you play them a lot. But is it bad if I use a 90m for recording in my portable d100 when I know an artist is going to go over 2 hours? Also I have a solution for the cdr packing challenges. Trade DATs! Thanks, Tom ------------------------------ From: "matt Sohn" Subject: Re: Insufficient packaging Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:13:46 -0500 >this is a major pet peeve of mine so i will try to explain this as far as >TRADING goes (not storing your own, which of course you should do whatever >you feel works best, whether that is cramming 50 into the same sleeve or >whatever) One solution to this problem is to send the person you're trading with blank discs of your choice, in your choice of packaging, and have that person burn the shows on your discs and send them back to you. Sort of a reverse B+P. I know this adds an extra trip to the post office into the whole exchange, but if you're paranoid about all this stuff, maybe its worth the trouble.. -Matt S (who has recently discovered the joys of Bit Torrent, and thus avoids the whole physical shipping mess altogether!!) ------------------------------ From: "DRider" Subject: Re: Insufficient packaging Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:35:31 -0500 Jon, Once again, you win the prize for best rant, my friend! You covered everything man. Hopefully, the people it was directed to (not that any of them are on this list - mind you ") will actually read it.... But just in case. Let's see it again! D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Slipkid" Subject: Re: Insufficient packaging Reply-To: "Slipkid" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:33:28 -0500 dan wrote: > I thought I'd chime in on this thread. I am one of those guys that will > put 2 or 3 CDRs in the same sleeve and it has nothing to do with saving > $$$. I have access to huge pile of sleeves and saving a few pennies > isn't why I do this. For me, it is more convenient and makes more > sense. Whenever I get 2 or 3 discs in multiple sleeves I quickly pop > them into one. I like that better. I do not see how anyone could > explain to me how it is any different than how they come stacked on a > spindle. Okay, now they have been recorded on, so? Doesn't mean they > now scratch easier or whatever. this is a major pet peeve of mine so i will try to explain this as far as TRADING goes (not storing your own, which of course you should do whatever you feel works best, whether that is cramming 50 into the same sleeve or whatever) in the summer, about 90% of the time that i get discs in the mail that are stuffed together either top to top, bottom to bottom, or top to bottom, in the same sleeve, they arrive STUCK TOGETHER AND TOTALLY RUINED...i believe this to be something about the heat "softening" the discs & causing a chemical reaction IF they are touching btw, for some reason this seems to happen most frequently with discs touching TOP to TOP, rather than top to bottom like in a spindle, or bottom to bottom, but most people that do this seem to put them touching top to top, i guess thinking they are "protecting" them (?) the silver generic top t-y's seem to be especially prone to this problem my mailbox is in a cluster of boxes that serve our whole street and the whole thing sits there broiling away in the sun all day turning it into an EZ BAKE oven, which i think has alot to do with the problem, but i've also seen this happen even when i get the packages straight from the mailman's hand b4 it even gets left in the box - during the hot summer months i guess the trucks, post offices, etc get pretty sweltering too!!! even in the wintertime i also see this happening on occasion, discs getting stuck together in transit - and also because of the jostling packages get, i see some discs scratched up pretty bad packaged like this i personally don't see the need for using a separate inner envelope for each disc when mailing them but don't see anything wrong with that; i have found to get around the stuck-together or scratching problems all you have to do is just put a piece of paper to separate the discs inside the inner sleeves that you're using; as long as they don't touch, the surfaces don't turn to goo & melt, but when they are touching you can get OREO CD-R SANDWICH CITY! > People do things there own way and that should be fine. Allow people to > make their own mind up and if they send you stuff in a way that bothers > you or it comes damaged (which in 15+ years of extensive trading has > never happened to me) then don't trade with that person. Yes, it is > that easy. Barking instructions on how YOU want things done or the > RIGHT way to make a trade is nonsense. Flexibility and being easy to > get along with gets you allot further in the trading circles than a ton > of silly rules that make little or no difference. I understand people > have important trading instructions (like media preference) but this is > not one of them. Pick your battles wisely. well here's my worthless opinion on this - if you contact someone for a trade you should make an attempt to respect their wishes and abide by their guidelines, no matter what they are if you don't like their rules, then don't bother to waste their time in the first place, don't disrespect them & make yourself out to be a jerk by asking for a trade yet expecting them to disregard their own tried & true practices, which they have their own reasons for following, whether you understand them or not but unfortunately more often than not, people either don't even bother to read the other person's guidelines in the first place or just decide it is easier to ignore them after they read them i swear this must be the thought process of 80% of the people that contact me & expect me to trade with them: "use separate envelopes? nah i'll just cram 'em together like i always do, what? burn in DAO? i don't care about discs with gaps neither should anybody else, what? use "good" media? who cares, these KMART-AUDIO discs are fine, what? don't label the discs? i'll write on them with my lucky pencil they won't mind, what? don't put sticky labels on them? i always do that, screw them, so they might pull off part of the top big deal, what? use EAC for best chance of getting good copies????? nah, i'll just use what came with my PC, i never heard of that & don't want to learn anything new either, what? use an inner bag if mailing with a dust-lined jiffy package? why should i care if that nasty crap gets all over their discs or tapes when the bag invariably breaks in transit?? what? don't copy as mp3s? my software is set that way on purpose! i'm not going to change that just for this picky loser, he'll send me what i want & that's all that is important" not that anybody on datheads acts like that of course! - jon - ------------------------------ From: "Marcello" Subject: ISO:Okkervil River and Coral shows Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:48:14 +0100 Hi all, subject says it all. Thanks in advance, Marcello ------------------------------ From: "Bound to Green" Subject: ISO Fiona Apple Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:30:31 -0500 Howdy folks I was wondering if anyone had/knew where I could grab some good sb-fm quality Fiona Apple shows, if any such exist. B&P would rock my world, since most of my tunes aren't in the fiona direction. Help me out! Thanks Keith _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx ------------------------------ From: Marv Van Haitsma Subject: ISO: Eminem & Ludicris(?)...Again Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:55:06 -0800 (PST) Hello list, Ok, it's getting closer to X-mas...and, I still need to finish up my "shopping" for my Neices & Nephews. I always find some "cool" music for them for X-mas, but this year...they seem to want Eminem...and Ludicris (SP?). They just would't enjoy a Stones or Zeppelin show...so... Is there anyone out there that may have decent recordings of these bands for trade...or B+P? Please write back....or else, I may have to give them a piece of coal for X-mas..... Thanks in Advance & Rock On!! Marv ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Matthew Thayer Subject: disk trading Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:49:19 -0800 (PST) only once in my years of trading tons of cdr's ... did i receive one broken disk.... a bob marley sent to me by kid just starting out.... not a big deal... i've never received a disk that didn't work, no matter the sloppy or neat packaging.... or how expensive or cheap the disks... but all these defensive, horror stories ( melting disks ? you live on mars? ) are amusing to read.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: RRopek@aol.com Subject: biography of Traffic's Chris Wood Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:50:56 EST This may seem unduly off-topic, but please bear with with me. I am working on the subject above, and have been at it for a couple of years. For those Traffic fans (wherever you are) out there, you will remember Chris Wood as the guy who played flute and sax, organ and other instruments on a lot of Traffic's classic songs: Dear Mr. Fantasy, 40,000 Headmen, John Barleycorn, etc. Chris contributed a great deal to what people recognize as the 'Traffic Sound'; and was an innovator in use of amplification, wah wah, and other sound modulators in rock 'n roll wind instruments. He died (of liver failure), essentially in obscurity in 1983 while working on a nearly finished solo album. I am pleased to be involved with finally getting his story out there - he was a cool and soulful guy that deserves to be better known. My sense is that Traffic (and Chris) have at least some influence on todays 'jam band' scene. I want to end the book with short, eloquent statements from musicians (preferably recognizable names) who can tell what Traffic/Chris Wood's music meant to them. I was hoping that some folks on this list may be able to spread the word about this, and help connect me with the appropriate artists. Any useful info would be appreciated. Thanks for the space - Dan Still too far off topic? Sorry - think of it as a slight diversion from the CD-R packaging saga! ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************