DAT-heads Digest #950

Contents:
  * ISO Au Pairs Tiffany's Glasgow May 17 1981 ("Music Is Special")
  Mic questions;  Audio Technica AT831CW ("Darren")
  Re: 90m data tape ("DRider")
  Phil Taping At The Beacon ("Lerner, David S, ALABS")
  RE: 90m data tape ("Bob Griesel")
  Built to Spill 9/25-26/01(DAT) ("Bill J")
  RE: identifying CD-R blanks by brand ("da9ve stovall")
  ISO:  any U2 show (Eric Reichenbach)
  Recording clean-up advice? ("Paul Wren")
  ISO: Tool 05.21.2002 Berlin, Germany @ Columbiahalle  (pstoltz1@tiscali.se)
  Re: How do I identify CDR media manufacturer? (Keith Bode)
  ISO: Linux Audio Tools ("Rich Gomes")
  Recovering data off damaged tape? ("Chris")


From: "Music Is Special" <musicisspecial@hotmail.com>
Subject: * ISO Au Pairs Tiffany's Glasgow May 17 1981
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:05:44 -0600

Would love to trade for this if anybody has it besides Martin Phee (he
appears to be incommunicado).  Have plenty to trade.

thanks



From: "Darren" <dnemeth01@giant-squid-audio-lab.com>
Subject: Mic questions;  Audio Technica AT831CW
Reply-To: dnemeth01@giant-squid-audio-lab.com
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 15:47:05 -0600

Hello,

I am thinking of getting a mono mic to use in certain stealth recording
situations.  I came upon the Audio Technica AT831CW Miniature Cardioid.

Is this a good one?

A place called http://www.zzounds.com/ has it for $72.  Is this a good deal?

Thanks in advance.

Darren



From: "DRider" <Farflung@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 90m data tape
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:29:07 -0500

> The tape stock, binder, and coating are the same along the entire length
of the tape.

Are you sure about that? Entire length?

You answered part of the question yourself. Also, you cut out the part that
said he has been using 90m DATs to master for the past 6 years and has never
had his deck professionally cleaned (maybe not a big deal) or professionally
aligned (possibly a big deal). After 6 years, I can guarantee the head is
showing some wear and the tape path is different now than it was a month
after he got the deck. A worn head that is probably out of alignment too is
going to have different effect on the tape than a new head that's in
alignment. A tape made recently may play back w/ different results than a
tape made several years ago and played back today.

These may have a correlation to deficiencies inherent to 90m data-grade DATs
themselves in one form or another. The 2 hour mark and after seems to be
when I have really started to notice these phenomena. Between 2:00 and 2:15
is not too bad, but after about the 2:15 mark is when the rise in errors
becomes much more prevalent. And this can happen w/ these Sony DG90P DATs in
a short time. Add being wound tight and binding to the already decreased
longevity w/ the thinner tape itself.

Uniform distribution of errors after the 2:15 mark? Do you mean a cyclic
rise and fall of errors every x amount of seconds? We are talking about a
spool of a certain size and dimension..... and by the time it gets to the
2:15 mark, some accumulative effects may be transpiring simultaneously.

How clean was the head on the deck that did the recording in the first
place? Were there some low errors on the tape shortly after recording that
did not result in audible noise, but now the errors are higher and you can
now hear them?? Was the deck that made the tape in proper alignment? Is the
playback deck the same deck or a different deck? How were the tapes stored?
Tail in or tail out? Upright or flat? Was the tape recorded to the very end
or only until the end of the show, leaving a section of tape at the end that
never gets unwound or rewound? Where were the tapes stored? Was it cool and
dry? Were there temperature fluctuations from very warm to very cold? Was it
humid?

Many of these factors play a role the life of any tape. Add the fact that
the tape is thinner on a 90m DAT, it's higher potential to shed along the
way and increased tension after the 2 hour mark (not a factor w/ a 60m DAT)
and the picture begins to unfold.

Peace,

D
---- Original Message -----

From:  <mcmiller@cox.net>
To: "Digestifier" <DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: 90m data tape

> >From: "DRider" <Farflung@comcast.net>
> >I can guarantee that some of his masters that are older
> >will have increased error counts, especially after the 2
> >hour mark and very well could have digi-noise as well.
>
> Why?
>
> The tape stock, binder, and coating are the same along the entire length
of the tape.  I can understand errors related to decreased longevity of
thinner tape, but I don't understand why those errors would not have a
uniform distribution.




From: "Lerner, David S, ALABS" <dlerner@att.com>
Subject: Phil Taping At The Beacon
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:34:38 -0600


Taping Phil Lesh & Friends at the Beacon Theater in NYC had some =
controversy. Tapers in the loge had to take their equipment down on the =
second night of the four night run.  People either went downstairs to =
the tapers section or they stealth taped in the loge. For shows 2-4, we =
taped from downstairs because this is what the band wanted.=20

IMO, the tapers section at the Beacon should be the loge. Putting the =
tapers in the corner of the orchestra, under the overhang is crazy.  I =
realize the band has the full authority here, but there's no reason why =
we could not have stayed in the loge. The mics were low and not blocking =
anyone. Tapes made up there just sound better. Comparing opening night =
to the other nights via the same equipment proves this.

Again, I have no problem whatsoever following the band's requests to =
limit us to the taper's section. I'm just of the opinion that their =
placement of the section is in the wrong part of the theater.=20


Dave



From: "Bob Griesel" <sundance@olywa.net>
Subject: RE: 90m data tape
Reply-To: <sundance@olywa.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:23:39 -0800

Darrin - Great and logical comments about the nature of DAT
tape behavior in a deck.

Consider also that DAT decks have their tape tension optimized
for tapes up to 60m.  We push the envelope a bit by getting away
with 90m.  As the deck's parameters begin to fade with hours
of use, the envelope gets smaller.  We often first notice that our
decks need a tune up when checking errors during the last hour
of a 90m tape.  This is why 90m tapes are sometimes erroneously
credited with "causing harm or deterioration" to the deck.

Bro' Bob
```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
"People need celebration in their life.  We need magic.
And bliss. . . its a part of the basic human experience. . ."
                                 Jerry Garcia, 1989

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DRider [mailto:Farflung@comcast.net]
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:29 PM
> To: dat
> Subject: Re: 90m data tape
>
>
> > The tape stock, binder, and coating are the same along the entire length
> of the tape.
>
> Are you sure about that? Entire length?
>
> You answered part of the question yourself. Also, you cut out the part that
> said he has been using 90m DATs to master for the past 6 years and has never
> had his deck professionally cleaned (maybe not a big deal) or professionally
> aligned (possibly a big deal). After 6 years, I can guarantee the head is
> showing some wear and the tape path is different now than it was a month
> after he got the deck. A worn head that is probably out of alignment too is
> going to have different effect on the tape than a new head that's in
> alignment. A tape made recently may play back w/ different results than a
> tape made several years ago and played back today.
>
> These may have a correlation to deficiencies inherent to 90m data-grade DATs
> themselves in one form or another. The 2 hour mark and after seems to be
> when I have really started to notice these phenomena. Between 2:00 and 2:15
> is not too bad, but after about the 2:15 mark is when the rise in errors
> becomes much more prevalent. And this can happen w/ these Sony DG90P DATs in
> a short time. Add being wound tight and binding to the already decreased
> longevity w/ the thinner tape itself.
>
> Uniform distribution of errors after the 2:15 mark? Do you mean a cyclic
> rise and fall of errors every x amount of seconds? We are talking about a
> spool of a certain size and dimension..... and by the time it gets to the
> 2:15 mark, some accumulative effects may be transpiring simultaneously.
>
> How clean was the head on the deck that did the recording in the first
> place? Were there some low errors on the tape shortly after recording that
> did not result in audible noise, but now the errors are higher and you can
> now hear them?? Was the deck that made the tape in proper alignment? Is the
> playback deck the same deck or a different deck? How were the tapes stored?
> Tail in or tail out? Upright or flat? Was the tape recorded to the very end
> or only until the end of the show, leaving a section of tape at the end that
> never gets unwound or rewound? Where were the tapes stored? Was it cool and
> dry? Were there temperature fluctuations from very warm to very cold? Was it
> humid?
>
> Many of these factors play a role the life of any tape. Add the fact that
> the tape is thinner on a 90m DAT, it's higher potential to shed along the
> way and increased tension after the 2 hour mark (not a factor w/ a 60m DAT)
> and the picture begins to unfold.
>
> Peace,
>
> D
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: <mcmiller@cox.net>
> To: "Digestifier" <DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: 90m data tape
>
> > >From: "DRider" <Farflung@comcast.net>
> > >I can guarantee that some of his masters that are older
> > >will have increased error counts, especially after the 2
> > >hour mark and very well could have digi-noise as well.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > The tape stock, binder, and coating are the same along the entire length
> of the tape.  I can understand errors related to decreased longevity of
> thinner tape, but I don't understand why those errors would not have a
> uniform distribution.
>
>





From: "Bill J" <johnwil1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Built to Spill 9/25-26/01(DAT)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 18:36:26 -0800

A while back, I was looking for DAT clones of these shows.

the source for the tapes:  AKG414TL2's >OADE M248/M1>M1

The original taper got a hold of me but was reluctant to make clones due to 
pop/click issues (if I recall correctly). [pops and clicks be damned] I'd 
really love to get clones of these shows on DAT. (preference for 9/25)

I've got some pretty good BTS on DAT for trade or whatever. Please contact 
me if you can help.

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From: "da9ve stovall" <da9ve@geek.com>
Subject: RE: identifying CD-R blanks by brand
Date: Sat,  6 Dec 2003 20:48:26 -0800


>From: "Cruz, Charles" <cruzcj@cdm.com>
>Subject: How do I identify CDR media manufacturer?
>I think I saw some posts in the past about identifying/confirming
CDR media
>manufacturer and other characteristics.  I recently bought two
100 spindles
>of TY discs but as I've started into the first spindle I realized
that there
>is nothing cosmetically on the discs that tells me they are
TY discs.
>
>Is there some shareware that can be used to confirm the media
mfr?

There used to be (and may still be, for all I know) a little
free-(or maybe share-)ware app called CDRID (or maybe CDRIdent,
or CDRIdentifier), that did exactly that.  But I looked for a
current version not too long ago and couldn't find it - maybe
someone else knows if it's still maintained.  BUT, I use the
shareware burning program Feurio (feurio.com, feurio.de), and
it IDs blanks, displaying the info on a dialog that you get to
when preparing to burn a disc.  Feurio's definitely still maintained
and updated,...

da9ve





From: Halfstep-2@webtv.net (Eric Reichenbach)
Subject: ISO:  any U2 show
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:18:51 -0500 (EST)

Ah, the gift of music. For my girlfriend, I would love to obtain a
complete U2 show on (audio) CD from any year back to the Joshua tree
tour. It would have to be a soundboard (are there even any out there?)
or FM or ALD. Otherwise, she probably wouldn't lisen to it. Go figure. 
   I have a good amount of Dead, Dylan, Hornsby and the like for trade.
Some odd ball stuff as well. I am sure to find a quality show to send
you in return. 

Thank you!

Eric in VT




From: "Paul Wren" <englishhaze@btopenworld.com>
Subject: Recording clean-up advice?
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:27:45 -0000

Apologies for mistakenly sending the last mail in HTML format.

I have a recording with some nasty noise probably caused by a badly seated
XLR plug.

Here's an image of the kind of damage I'm trying to clean up :-

http://www.kipaul.com/Temp/wave.jpg

Any ideas how I can make the best of this. I know it's never going to be
perfect but I need to salvage something from this.

I'm using Soundforge 6.0 with noise reduction and cleanup plugins.

TIA

Paul




From: pstoltz1@tiscali.se
Subject: ISO: Tool 05.21.2002 Berlin, Germany @ Columbiahalle 
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:14:40 +0100

Looking for any source (video/audio) for this show:
Tool - 05.21.2002 Berlin, Germany @ Columbiahalle

Hope somebody can hook me up with a copy. Thanks!
-Per





From: Keith Bode <t.tunakebo@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: How do I identify CDR media manufacturer?
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:24:50 -0800

>
>
>I think I saw some posts in the past about identifying/confirming CDR media manufacturer and other characteristics.  I recently bought two 100 spindles of TY discs but as I've started into the first spindle I realized that there is nothing cosmetically on the discs that tells me they are TY discs.
>
>Is there some shareware that can be used to confirm the media mfr?
>
>Thanks,
>

All TY manufactured media, to my knowledge, is cosmetically identified 
by the center area being opaque or as many others call it, frosted.  It 
is not clear with visible numbers, ever.  There is a either free or 
shareware program called CD-R Identifier that ID's manufacturer, dye 
type, and a few other bits of information.   I'm still using an older 
version that only works in my Plextor 8x20 drive.  I've tried using it 
with other drives, and it didn't work.  There may be newer versions that 
are compatible with more drives, or it may be  compatible with other 
drives, and I have some quirk going on.

Keith

>Charlie
>




From: "Rich Gomes" <RichGomes@comcast.net>
Subject: ISO: Linux Audio Tools
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:17:23 -0500


Sorry for the OT post. I am looking to make the move to Linux as my primary
desktop. One of the main things holding me back is audio tools. I use the
following programs in Windows and am searching for their equivalent in
Linux:
EAC
Lame
Cool Edit Pro
Nero
CDWave
WavMerge
CDRWin
Samplitude

Also, does anyone know if there are linux ports of the DOS programs that
came with the ZA2?  


Thanks,
Rich




For I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and big words Bother me. - Winnie the
Pooh 






From: "Chris" <ctc3m@virginia.edu>
Subject: Recovering data off damaged tape?
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:38:35 -0500

Hey everyone I recently taped a show and once I got home I realized the
tape from the first DAT had gotten a little chewed up at the end (maybe
when I ejected tha tape) and now my D8 says the whole tape is blank.
Anyone ever had this problem or have any idea how to access the data on
the tape?

Thanks
Chris

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