DAT-heads Digest #961
Contents:
Re: stealing is stealing ("Wayne Brissette")
Re: Re: stealing is stealing ("MattB")
re: possible DAT replacement (iRiver) (aza6+@pitt.edu)
Looking For: PJ Bridge 2003 Bit Torrent ("Tony Guagliardo")
Flips/Stripes NYE ("Ed Buckel")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #960- stealing is stealing (acffh)
Line In or bass roll-off? ("Gary Davis")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #960- stealing is stealing (Seth Breidbart)
ISO Jane's Addiction Tapers (Chas Stumbo & Cynthia Hoinoski)
For Sale: Beyer MV100 ("James Ratner")
free audio editors (Aaron Heller)
FS: Sony D100 (David)
FS: SONY RMR-D3 I/O (k j)
Eric Johnson tapers? ("Daniel Thweatt")
ISO: Simon & Garfunkle 12.14.03 x-mas grovel ("Richmond Mike")
CBC and WFUV tapers (karatebabies)
ISO: CBC and WFUV FM tapers (karatebabies)
First live show taper ever (pstoltz1@tiscali.se)
sony head alignment tape... (Nick Zuccaro)
Re: sony head alignment tape... ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.")
From: "Wayne Brissette" <waynefb@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: stealing is stealing
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:40:55 -0600
Digestifier DAT-heads-Request@datheads.phish.net on Wednesday, December
17, 2003 stated:
>From: "DRider" <Farflung@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: stealing is stealing
>Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:31:18 -0500
>Unless you are a computer software developer (in which case you are probably
>rich and could care less) or some software vendor, people sharing software
>is not going to effect your reputation in the way a bootlegger effects the
>reputation of a taper.
>
>Yes, stealing IS stealing, but greed is greed!
You would be surprised at how many software developers aren't rich. And I
for one consider myself a software developer (that's how I make my
paycheck today). But regardless, it still brings the taping community
down to the same level as your "bootlegger" example because to the
outside world all they see is people on the dat-head list asking for
warez. Personally I don't understand folks, they wouldn't walk into a
store and steal a microphone or DAT deck, but they have no issue trading
software? Why? It's the same thing, stealing and you can justify it any
way you want, but it is what it is; period. I simply think we need to
keep this list free from that sort of thing.
Somebody else mentioned we should keep this "page" towards pirating
music. I assuming you are talking about folks who do stealth taping.
That's a whole can of worms that I don't want to open up. Personally if
an artist tells me he or she doesn't want me to record them, then I
don't. I've always figured it was their loss, not mine that they didn't
get recorded. Personally I've always had very good luck recording people
(even those who have shut down other people), but I think it's how you
approach them and how you approach it.
Wayne
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From: "MattB" <matt@mattb.net>
Subject: Re: Re: stealing is stealing
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:43:54 -0700
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> From: "DRider" <Farflung@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: stealing is stealing
>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:31:18 -0500
>>
<snip>
>>
>> Unless you are a computer software developer (in which case you are
>> probably rich and could care less)
Well I'm a software developer and as much as I'd like that to be, it isn't
necessarily true. I may be rich compared to some (say, migrant farm workers)
but I'm working for a living just like everyone else.
>> or some software vendor, people sharing
>> software
>> is not going to effect your reputation in the way a bootlegger
>> effects the
>> reputation of a taper.
>>
>> Yes, stealing IS stealing, but greed is greed!
>>
>> D
I do agree with your point about stealing. I think a big difference between
software and live recordings is software CAN be bought legitmately while
most live recordings cannot. Software is more analagous to studio albums
IMO.
Matt (ain't no Bill Gates - yet)
From: aza6+@pitt.edu
Subject: re: possible DAT replacement (iRiver)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:20:53 -0500 (EST)
Using relatively high-sensitivity mics (like DPA 4060) and a battery box wo=
uld work well going ANALOG LINE-IN on the iRiver, like on a Sony MD, no?
Anyhow, mine is coming in today or tomorrow, and I'm going to do test recor=
dings with AT933's > SPSB-1 to see:
-if the incoming recorded levels going line-in are sufficient
-what the delay time is when ending one file and immediately recording a ne=
w one..=20
===========================
It's worth a look. Its analog mic pre-amp is noisy, does not have any
level indicators, can't change analog levels while recording and can
only record 700+ MB without having to start a new file, but fronted with
a good mic pre/A-to-D (like a Denecke AD-20 or our Mic2496, or as you
suggest, a DAT recorder), it should make a fine field recorder.
======================
From: "Tony Guagliardo" <guagliardo@un.org>
Subject: Looking For: PJ Bridge 2003 Bit Torrent
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:52:09 -0500
Hi all. Anybody know where I can find the PJ Bridge shows this year on Bit
Torrent?
Thanks in advance
Tony.
From: "Ed Buckel" <edventure69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Flips/Stripes NYE
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:42:04 -0500
Just wondering if anyone out there is gonna be attending the Flaming
Lips/White Stripes new years eve show in chicago. I was hoping to tape, but
don't feel that my equipment is adequate to cover it, nor do i really want
to do it alone. If anyone was planning on taping and wants help, i'd be
more than happy to offer assistance.
Ed
From: acffh <morst@tds.net>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #960- stealing is stealing
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:44:47 -0600
As long as the software that gets ripped off is traded for free like
the music, and not sold like bootlegs, I don't have a problem with it
going on, although I don't think that DAT heads is an appropriate
public forum for setting up such deals. Try private emails, maybe!?!
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 09:50 AM, Digestifier wrote:
> From: Randy Vogel <randy@funfolks.net>
> Subject: stealing is stealing
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:21:00 -0800
>
> Seems kinda strange that the usual watchdogs ready to jump all over
> anyone trying to sell a recording have nothing to say about people
> asking for help stealing software.
> -rand0m
From: "Gary Davis" <g@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Line In or bass roll-off?
Reply-to: g@hoxnet.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:05:09 -0800
>> Use your Line-In instead of Mic-In
>When using my Core Sound binaural mics with my D8,
>using the line-in will bypass the bass roll-off filter
>in the battery box.
While it's true that the line input may negate the effect (not bypass)
the bass roll-off filter, there's really no reason to use the filter
*except* to avoid overloading the mic pre-amp, which you don't do
in any case if you're using the line input.
If, after making a tape, you decide there's too much bass, you can
have MUCH more control over the bass in post-production (ie by
copying or computering the tape) than a simple filter during
recording. An analog EQ or computer editing software will let you
control the bass however you like, instead of simply getting a fixed,
uncontrollable roll-off from the built-in filter.
The other advantage of using the Line input is that you are
bypassing the mic pre-amp, which in the case of a D7/D8, can add
significant hiss to the recording.
In cases where the record levels are a bit low at the line input (-10,
-16, etc), the amount of hiss you add by increasing the volume "in
post" is still less than the D8's mic preamp. And, you won't have
to worry about going "over." You don't know how many times I've
heard recordings where people turned the level up at the beginning,
only to turn it down once the music gets louder. This can be
completely avoided by recording the whole show through the line
input, perhaps a bit soft, and then turning up the level later.
--Gary
From: Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #960- stealing is stealing
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:24:16 -0500 (EST)
acffh <morst@tds.net> wrote:
> As long as the software that gets ripped off is traded for free like
> the music, and not sold like bootlegs, I don't have a problem with
> it going on,
So if somebody breaks into your house and steals your stereo, but then
gives it away for free rather than selling it, I shouldn't have any
objection to that, either, right?
There _is_ freeware, crippleware, begware, etc. audio editing software
out there, and pointers to those would be perfectly appropriate.
Seth
From: Chas Stumbo & Cynthia Hoinoski <stumoski@cox.net>
Subject: ISO Jane's Addiction Tapers
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:43:21 -0800
This is my first posting to this Digest and I'm hoping any of you can help
me out. I'm looking for anyone who taped Jane's Addiction and related
bands. Please contact me if you have. I have tons++++ to trade.
Chas
From: "James Ratner" <jratner@maine.rr.com>
Subject: For Sale: Beyer MV100
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:17:08 -0500
Still have this dependable preamp for sale @ $250.00. I'll pay shipping at
this point. It works great. Supplies phantom power and is a microphone
preamp. It's totally simple to use and you can stealth with it too. I can
take a credit card too for payment.
Any Takers??
Jim Ratner
Cape Eliz., ME
From: Aaron Heller <heller@ai.sri.com>
Subject: free audio editors
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:47:32 -0800
> From: GaoBest@aol.com
> Subject: any free/warez copies of soundforge/etc
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:51:04 EST
>
> Are there any free
> [...] music editing program, for
> a PC, that [my friend] can use to splice my intro music with
> his concert recording?
Audacity is a free and open source audio editor that runs on PCs, Macs,
and Gnu/Linux. See http://audacity.sourceforge.net/about.php
There's also the "tryout" version of Adobe Audition (ex. CoolEdit)
See http://www.adobe.com/products/tryadobe/main.jsp#product=92
The tryout period should be long enough for you to do a few edits.
From: David <pharmboy@cruzio.com>
Subject: FS: Sony D100
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:13:10 -0800
Sony TCD D100 in excellent condition. Used for less than 100 hours for
about a year until it was replaced with a M1. Only used for stealth
projects for recording only. Includes all accessories (i.e. Ni-Cad
batteries, charger, ac power, soft case, manual, remote, etc.). Price
to sell at $400 or obo. i will throw in 10 dats either ones with music
or blanks.
Also selling:
Sony PCM R500 home deck = $500 + 10 dats
Panasonic SV 3800 DAT deck = $400 + 10 dats
Sony TCD M1= $450
HHB CDR-830 CD Burner = $300
All equipment is in Mint condition and all have scheduled maintenance
and are kept in a very clean environment. Heads were cleaned
professionally every 100-200 hours. Never used a dry cleaner.
email me with any questions
David F
From: k j <kjayallen@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: SONY RMR-D3 I/O
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:50:43 -0800 (PST)
Sony digi-io box rmr-d3. $60.
Ebay item 2366549573
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2366549573&category=3278
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From: "Daniel Thweatt" <thweatt62040@msn.com>
Subject: Eric Johnson tapers?
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:10:13 -0600
There's a few acoustic EJ dates coming in the new year. Fire up those
stealth rigs! Let me know if you can tape.
Eric Johnson Acoustic Guitar & Piano
January 2004
14 - San Diego, CA
4th & B
345 B Street, San Diego
619/231-4343
w/Tony Furtado
15 - Santa Anna, CA
Galaxy Concert Theater
3503 South Harbor Blvd
714/957-0600
w/Tony Furtado
17 - Ventura, CA
Ventura Theatre
26 South Chestnut Street
805/653-0721
w/Tony Furtado
18 - Hollywood, CA
Key Club
9039 Sunset Blvd
310/786-1712
w/Tony Furtado
20 - Tempe, AZ
Marquee Theatre
730 North Mill Ave
480/829-0607
w/Tony Furtado
22 - Albuquerque, NM
Sunshine Theatre
120 Central Ave SW
505/764-0249
w/Tony Furtado
March 2004
5 - Duluth, GA (Atlanta area)
Performing Arts Center at Gwinnett Center
6400 Sugarloaf Parkway
800/224-6422
Have a nice day, Danny
My trade page:
www.sanctifiedpress.com/trade.html
From: "Richmond Mike" <keepongrowin@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO: Simon & Garfunkle 12.14.03 x-mas grovel
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:07:56 -0500
Hi,
I know there is a copy or two of this show floating around right now.
I hate to grovel, I tape just like many of you, and i know just how it can
be.. But I'm in search of this one in particular for my boss. He and his
wife made it to this one and i think it would make a perfect gift. He's a
long time fan, as far back as Central park in '85.
Willing to go two for one, can ftp, bt, snail, whatever..
flac, shn, audio, it's all good.
Many thanks!
-Mike
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From: karatebabies <karatebabies@yahoo.com>
Subject: CBC and WFUV tapers
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:36:12 -0800 (PST)
CBC FM:
SAT, DECEMBER 20
Definitely Not The Opera 4-5 pm: Jane Siberry in
Winnipeg
WFUV FM:
WED, DECEMBER 24
7-9 PM, Special: Shushan the Palace (Hymns of Earth):
Jane Siberry performs centuries-old hymns of the
season by Handel, Bach, Holst and others, in a live
performance at Symphony Space in New York City.
THU, DECEMBER 25 (rebroadcast)
12-2 PM, Special: Shushan the Palace (Hymns of Earth)
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From: karatebabies <karatebabies@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: CBC and WFUV FM tapers
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:39:42 -0800 (PST)
Hi,
I'm looking for someone to record the following Jane
Siberry FM broadcasts! Please email me if you can
help. Have tons to trade!
CBC FM:
SAT, DECEMBER 20
Definitely Not The Opera 4-5 pm: Jane Siberry in
Winnipeg
WFUV FM:
WED, DECEMBER 24
7-9 PM, Special: Shushan the Palace (Hymns of Earth):
Jane Siberry performs centuries-old hymns of the
season by Handel, Bach, Holst and others, in a live
performance at Symphony Space in New York City.
THU, DECEMBER 25 (rebroadcast)
12-2 PM, Special: Shushan the Palace (Hymns of Earth)
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From: pstoltz1@tiscali.se
Subject: First live show taper ever
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:52:37 +0100
Came across an interesting article in today's paper in Bergen, Norway. Se=
ems
that the first taper seemed to be Thomas A. Edison and they are asking wh=
ether
not he taped the famous Ole Bull playing the violin. Nobody here has a re=
cording
of Ole Bull playing his violin around 1877? hehe. Thought not.
For their sake I hope Ole Bull was taper friendly and that his manager di=
dn't
turn taper Edison down. For those who want to read it, here's the link.
Sorry, it's in Norwegian so only for people who know the language or want=
to learn:
http://www.bt.no/kultur/film/article219549
Happy christmas to all.
-p
From: Nick Zuccaro <nmz77@yahoo.com>
Subject: sony head alignment tape...
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:18:28 -0800 (PST)
hey there, i was checking out a copy of the d-100 service manual
wayne hoxie posted and was thinking about trying to clean/align
the head in my M1 but it looks like i'll need a 'sony head
alignment tape' - does anybody have a clue what's on this??
pulse trains?? tones at ?Hz?? if i know what type of signal is
on it i can generate one of my own...i've sent my deck(s) in 3-4
times to prodig to 'fix' the same re-occuring problem and i
totally can't afford to have it fixed every other month. i've
got some test equipment and the guts to do it but i don't think
i can do it w/o the tape...anybody have a copy of one?? has a
line on one?? anyway, let me know if you can help....l8r..>Nick
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From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." <wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: sony head alignment tape...
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:34:46 -0600
Nick Zuccaro wrote:
> hey there, i was checking out a copy of the d-100 service manual
> wayne hoxie posted and was thinking about trying to clean/align
> the head in my M1 but it looks like i'll need a 'sony head
> alignment tape' - does anybody have a clue what's on this??
> pulse trains?? tones at ?Hz?? if i know what type of signal is
> on it i can generate one of my own...i've sent my deck(s) in 3-4
> times to prodig to 'fix' the same re-occuring problem and i
> totally can't afford to have it fixed every other month. i've
> got some test equipment and the guts to do it but i don't think
> i can do it w/o the tape...anybody have a copy of one?? has a
> line on one?? anyway, let me know if you can help....l8r..>Nick
>
I believe you can still order them from Sony. They used to be available
from a third-party distributer, but I can't find a link to anything via
internet search so I can only assume that lack of popularity forced them
to discontinue stocking it.
This is not something you could just copy either. It is precisely
aligned at the factory so as to be a "standard" for what a properly
aligned tape-path should produce. I suppose that if you managed to get
your tape-path aligned perfectly using the alignment tape and then made
a copy of it, it would be close, but with every copy, you'd be losing
out a bit from slop.
I suppose you noticed the part in the Service Manual about connecting an
oscilloscope too? This requires partial disassembly of the unit (and
possession of an oscilloscope - duh) and you also need a special tool to
adjust the guide capstans. You need to be confident in your
disassembly/reassembly skills before attempting to do your own work.
I've played around (using otherwise junk equipment--some of you may have
noticed that I buy up a lot of this stuff, for my own amusement mostly)
with trying to align other decks (usually without a service manual) with
some success. In these cases, I use a tape produced from a DDS drive
(as I believe these to be the tightest based on experience in the DDS
world) then work the main guide (these seem to be the ones that go out
of alignment the most often) in or out until you get diginoise, then
work it in the opposite direction until you get diginoise again, then
split the difference. It's not perfect, but it can revive an otherwise
junk deck. (Note to all: I would never sell one of these decks to
anyone, on-list or not, without them knowing these facts, nor would I
trade tapes made from one of these decks. As I said earlier, I do this
mostly for my own amusement.)
Lastly, I'd like to mention that it is much more common for a deck to
simply have a dirty head/drum than to have worked its way out of
alignment. I posted pictures before of the guts of my M1
(http://www.hoxnet.com/m1/index.html) and I'd like to mention that it
has never needed any tape-path adjustment, only periodic cleaning. Most
decks have the adjustment screws locked in place by either _locktite_
(decent) or a physical locking screw in the side of the capstan barrel
(much better in my opinion). The M1 uses the latter. You can see these
in my first picture (http://www.hoxnet.com/m1/1.jpg), the white posts on
either side of the drum. The locking screws are a bit hard to make out,
but they have a red "dot" of _locktite_ on them if that helps.
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
wayne@hoxnet.com
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