DAT-heads Digest #975, Volume #6 Thu, 1 Jan 04 10:50:00 EST Contents: ISO: Eagles of Death Metal (pstoltz1@tiscali.se) Re: Musical DAT portables (Michael Miller) Musical DAT portables (Carlos Martinez) Musical DAT decks?? (Benjamin Cho) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pstoltz1@tiscali.se Subject: ISO: Eagles of Death Metal Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:41:12 +0100 Hey, Anyone tape this? Please contact me. From qotsa.com: Eagles of Death Metal play a secret show! Josh Homme's side project Eagles of Death Metal play a secret show in Los Angeles at The Three Clubs on Tuesday, December 9th. SSHHHHH!! (TELL EVERYONE!) -per ------------------------------ From: Michael Miller Subject: Re: Musical DAT portables Date: 31 Dec 2003 12:09:00 -0500 > > > ------------------------------ > > From: JH > Subject: Musical DAT portables > "Musical" is an analog-ophile term, isn't it? > I'm interested in hearing what DAT portables are considered not > musical. > Jonathan Basically NONE of the DAT portables could be considered musical. While they are all decent, they just don't match the sound of a good reel-reel deck. Why do you think that there are so many people running V3 and minime ahead of their decks? If you are playing back through the same portable deck, you probably will not hear the difference between the ADC and linestages of the different portable units. But on a playback system with even moderate resolution and a quality outboard DAC you can hear the differences clearly. All the tapes I have that were mastered directly into the D7/M1/DAP1 portables sound grainy. The SBM sounds much better. Tapes made using the V3, minime, AD1000, AD2K, etc sound much more smooth and "musical". This is partly due to inexpensive ADC in the portables but also the low quality mic-pre and line stage in most of these decks, especially the sony. Rick and I traded emails off line. What I submitted was that in my experience, the Sony ADC seems to sound smoother than the DAP1 to me but that the DAP1 mic-pre is better. If I was running line in, I would choose the sony but if running mic-in and size doesn't matter then it's a wash. And then I nudged him to get a V3. You minime guys will have to push your own agenda. ------------------------------ From: Carlos Martinez Subject: Musical DAT portables Reply-To: Carlos Martinez Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:16:18 -0200 > "Musical" is an analog-ophile term, isn't it? I seem to remember this word > when looking through the Absolute Sound and an old Linn-Sondek turntable > brochure. I'm interested in hearing what DAT portables are considered not > musical. Quite likely no portable DAT can be considered as musical as the best analog recorders (like Nagra, Revox or Studer). Only 24bit/196Khz recorders are getting close to what analog recording could achieve. They will probably get there when sampling gets to about 368Khz. "Musical" is not a word that can be discarded as just "analog-phile" antique, because what it described was a dryness and lack of ultra-fine information that digital brought along. Mostly due to low bits and low over-sampling. You better wish the concept "musical" is not lost forever, because it does vanish when you make a DAT recording. Linn Sondek turntables only was more succesful than others, like Thorens turntables (which the LS is almost a clone of), in marketing an idea that other turntables did. The LS came along quite before digital was released, and their selling point was their turntables (like a few others did) could reproduce the analog recording more faithfully. That is closer to the original analog recording and the original musical performance. So in the end being more "musical" is being closer to original music event, which in my experience no DAT can do, except if modified for higher bit/sampling. Digital is only more practical and has other advantages, but is not better than analog. We are talking quality equipment here, not home devices. Carlos E. Martinez ________________________ carlmart@centroin.com.br ------------------------------ From: Benjamin Cho Subject: Musical DAT decks?? Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:04:44 -0800 (PST) From an audiophile playback point of view I have never heard of people comparing the various portables. After all, portables are mainly for location recording. Then after recording you come back and play it on your nice system at home/studio/etc. If you are looking for HQ playback you should probably just run the digital out from your portable DAT to an outboard D>A converter. FWIW I have heard the Panasonic SV3800 (rack mount) has excellent converters. Just saw a cheap one up on ebay. Happy new year everyone!! Ben __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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