DAT-heads Digest #10, Volume #7 Wed, 4 Feb 04 10:50:00 EST Contents: WANTED: danny gatton "weekly edition" 1988 video ("John R. Vanderpool") ISO: Bragg & Housemartins Glastonbury 1986 ("K. Savoie") PFM (Meurglys3@att.net) RE: rarities trading ("zach") Re: Who makes what? ("Slipkid") ISO G Mule 11/13/03 (frtower) RE: DAT-heads Digest #9 ("Alan Saferstein") FS: Pair of Sennhesier 441's ("pam marki") Mahler No.8 in Berlin next May (Masato Kato) ToTrade: 2/12/69 JanisJoplin/GratefulDead@Fillmore East (JPollQs@aol.com) Attn: Louisville and Knoxville Tapers (This Thu and Fri) ("Jeff Frank") ISO: Clark, Lovett, Ely, Hiatt 2/17/03 Santa Cruz ("Otten, William") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John R. Vanderpool" Subject: WANTED: danny gatton "weekly edition" 1988 video Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:55:19 -0500 (EST) this was a piece broadcast on local wash, DC TV and is excellent but all the copies i've seen have been bad quality, anybody have a good copy!? the interviewer was Andy Lyman, and the piece was subtitled "finger pickin' good" ------------------------------ From: "K. Savoie" Subject: ISO: Bragg & Housemartins Glastonbury 1986 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 11:05:36 -0500 Looking for nice clean recordings of these two performances at the Glastonbury 1986 festival. The BBC broadcast the whole enchilada I believe, but a good audience recording would be great too. Any help greatly appreciated! ~Kip ------------------------------ From: Meurglys3@att.net Subject: PFM Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:46:11 +0000 Hello Heads, I'm looking for any good quality current shows by PFM since they've reformed and resumed touring. Please check out my list & contact me up if you want to trade. http://home.att.net/~meurglys3/ Thanks, Tom ------------------------------ From: "zach" Subject: RE: rarities trading Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:47:17 -0700 Tom & others, I couldn't agree more on this subject. As someone who searches high & low for stuff that isn't circulated widely in the genre of bands I listen to, I feel it is fair to ask for a rarity in return. Putting things up on Bit torrent and E-tree, while great for recently performed or widely available shows, doesn't allow for the fact that their *is* a hierarchy in tape availability. It's not fair, just, or "in the spirit of free music" but it's a fact that if you have better/rarer shows you can ask for the same in return. We're living in a capitalistic society and that's the way things work. I consider it similar to many other collection hobbies. Whether it's stamps, beanie babies, coins, books, or whatever. I'm not going to trade you a signed 1st edition of "Catcher in the Rye" for a mass-market copy used in schools across America. I doubt anyone else here would either. I'm sure someone will bring up the point that it's not "our" music to keep. Fine, believe that. If the band asked me for a copy, I'd feel honored, and happily oblige them. They do own the music. I'd even understand if they wanted to share it online or sell it. But don't think for a minute that I'd trade something I worked years to find for some "smoking FOB (insert German mic) copy!" that you can easily get off one of the many download sites. Peace, Zach ======================================================= From: tom groff Subject: rarities trading Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:32:48 -0800 (PST) I think if you have something that not many have or has not been circulated you should be able to get something in return that is rare or something you are looking for. and before you know it that "rare" recording is out there and everyone has it anyway. Tom ------------------------------ From: "Slipkid" Subject: Re: Who makes what? Reply-To: "Slipkid" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:38:58 -0500 martin wrote: > Jon, that is why I qualified the antecedent with "for the most part." To > state that you "CANNOT rely" on the ATIP to be accurate is fallacious. Do > you really mean to say the ATIP is never right? i suggest you read these links if you want to understand: http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-33 http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-38 > Aside from going to the factories and buying your CD's right as they come > off the conveyor belt, I am unaware of a better way to determine the > manufacturer. Maybe we should just rely on rumors and speculation. well that would be about as worthwhile as relying on what is in the ATIP ! there are many CD-R related websites, forums, etc that can help in identifying certain discs, but for the most part all of that is an entangled mess luckily for identifying T-Ys there are some easily recognizable characteristics that can be used to spot them, as have been mentioned up here b4 etc john wrote: > What about the CDR identifier feature in Feurio? Does it use the same > process? yes - jon - ------------------------------ From: frtower Subject: ISO G Mule 11/13/03 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:42:42 -0600 hey guys looking for g mule 11/13/03 boulder show from the fox. dat, or cd. my friend gary had a power failure at the set break, so we need a complete copy. be happy to trade or b&p. i do have akg481 masters of g mule 7/4/03, or 11/11/03. thx S.P. ------------------------------ From: "Alan Saferstein" Subject: RE: DAT-heads Digest #9 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:05:28 -0500 >> From: "Markham, Timothy" >> Subject: Re: 70s tapes and STG >> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 09:24:16 -0700 >> >> If you, or someone who trades you for it, puts it up on 'Sharing the = >> Groove' >> under the Audio Bit Torrent Downloads you won't have to worry about it = >> being >> bootlegged. What an amazing site! >> > Bullshit. > > A recent My Morning Jacket show that a friend taped and offered for BT = > through STG has been all over ebay recently. I love BT and all of the = > new technoligies but once the tape leaves your hand there's no telling = > who will download it and what they will do with it.=20 > > As for how "amazing" STG is... well I think that's up for debate too ;-) > > Tim First, thanks for the pleasantries, how nice. Second, bootlegging can happen regardless of how you spread/trade the music, despite your best efforts to keep it from happening. You say "once the tape leaves your hand there's no telling who will download it", well that applies to any technology, including snail mail trades. E.G. if you trade with someone, even someone who does have other 'rare' zep to trade, what is to say they (or their cousin) are not the bootlegger you are trying to avoid? The best chance for keeping a bootlegger from making money off a show is to make it available to everyone for free and let people know that it's available for free. Did you tell the ebay bidders that you'd make them a copy of that MMJ show for free to keep them from bidding on/buying it? Did you report the seller to ebay? Unfortunately STG only directly helps those with lots of bandwidth, but it's a start, and good old snail mail trades can take it from there. You are right, STG is terrible, yuk, a place where people can share 'tradeable' music. You are also right that we should all just horde our rarities instead. Alan PS I looked on ebay and all I saw was used MMJ studio albums and posters for sale. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 ------------------------------ From: "pam marki" Subject: FS: Pair of Sennhesier 441's Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:02:28 -0500 I have a closely matched pair (charts marked 5^99m and 5^96m) of classic (metal not plastic) Sennheiser 441 Dynamic microphones. Very good condition, in perfect working order. Powerless(no batteries needed) Dynamic microphone with a built in brilliance switch, a 5 setting bass roll off switch and XLR connectors. Included are the 2 original leather cases(foam has been replaced), 2 original mounting clips(plastic sides are broken, they hold fine in a studio setting), 2 wind screens ($50.00 each retail) and all the original documents including the charts(German/English). One microphone is missing the plastic surrounding the brilliance switch and the other is missing the chrome plating off the outside of the connector(has no effect on connection). These microphones brand new sell for more than $1200 a pair and they are now plastic, not metal. Heres the link if interested.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1288&item=3701500265&ssPageName=STRK:MESSE:IT John ------------------------------ From: Masato Kato Subject: Mahler No.8 in Berlin next May Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:50:42 +0900 Deutches Symphonie Orchester Berlin with Kent Nagago (cond.) will perform Mahler Symphony No. 8 "Symphony For A Thousand" in Berlin on May 2. Will anybody go to this concert? Masato Kato ------------------------------ From: JPollQs@aol.com Subject: ToTrade: 2/12/69 JanisJoplin/GratefulDead@Fillmore East Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:18:05 EST To start the new year off right, I thought I=E2=80=99d offer up these excel= lent 35=20 year old soundboard recordings to my favorite lists and entertain some trade= s.=20 This 2 CD set contains a night of classic 1969 sets by The Grateful Dead and= =20 Janis Joplin that are not yet in general circulation. The notation below pre= tty=20 much covers everything. I=E2=80=99ll take a B&P or two from each list and a= ccomodate=20 as many trades as possible. My big fixations at the moment include Miles=20 Davis (circa 1969-73 FMs and SBDS), NRPS, Robert Hunter with Comfort recordi= ngs=20 (circa 1977-78), any 2003-2004 Rickie Lee Jones shows and still searching fo= r=20 several sets from the 1982 Jamaica World Music Festival. Otherwise, I=E2= =80=99m open to=20 suggestions and looking at trade lists. B&P winners will be notified and=20 since I anticipate heavy response, it may take awhile to get back to everyon= e. =20 Please send a list or link to it if you=E2=80=99d enjoy a trade. Will get th= ese=20 spreading to as many people as I can. Happy 2004, Stu Grateful Dead/Janis Joplin Fillmore East, New York, NY February 12, 1969 late show Disc One: (1:08:26) The Grateful Dead Ron McKernan - vocals Jerry Garcia - lead guitar, vocals Bob Wier - rhythm guitar, vocals Phil Lesh - bass Tom Constanten - organ Bill Kruetzman - drums Mickey Hart - drums, percussion 1 ...Dark Star-> (04:58) 2 Saint Stephen-> (05:53) 3 The Eleven-> (15:43) 4 Death Don=E2=80=99t Have No Mercy (08:22) 5 Alligator-> (03:57) 6 drums-> (04:22) 7 drumchanting-> (00:19) 8 Alligator-> (06:11) 9 Caution (Do Not Step On Tracks)-> (09:21) 10 Feedback-> (04:41) 11 And We Bid You Goodnight (04:39) Disc Two: (1:00:02) Janis Joplin & Her Kozmic Blues Band Janis Joplin - vocals Sam Andrew - guitar Brad Campbell - bass Richard Kermode - keyboards Louis Castille - drums Snooky Flowers - baritone sax, vocals Terry Clements - tenor sax Luis Gasca - trumpet =20 1 Bill Graham Introduction Raise Your Hand (05:35) 2 As Good As You=E2=80=99ve Been To This World (03:26) 3 Maybe (04:09) 4 Summertime (05:10) 5 To Love Somebody (07:10) 6 You=E2=80=99re The Only One (05:23) 7 Dig It (04:18) 8 Work Me Lord (08:47) 9 Piece Of My Heart (05:58) 10 Ball And Chain (10:06) Notes: Lineage: Ampex C-90 Stereo Soundboard Master Cassettes (no Dolby)>?>DAT->CD Until recently, only an edited recording of The Dead=E2=80=99s Alligator->Fe= edback=20 jam from this 2-12-69 late show set was in general circulation. This greatly= =20 expanded 2CD edition adds the remainder of the Dead late show set and includ= es=20 the entire Janis Joplin late show set. The only flaw is that we begin a few=20 minutes into The Dead set and there is typical pre-Dolby 1969 era analog his= s=20 present. Otherwise, nicely mixed stereo soundboard recordings. This was the Fillmore East run where Janis Joplin debuted her new band=20 (after parting ways with Big Brother & The Holding Company) to the New York=20= City=20 audience, proceeded by a ferocious Dead set, recorded right between the two=20= 1969=20 runs that supplied the classic =E2=80=9CLive Dead=E2=80=9D LP recordings. Th= e only other=20 recordings from this Fillmore East run to see the light of day are the previ= ous=20 night Dead sets. These have been officially released on CD by Grateful Dead=20 Records as "Fillmore East 2-11-69,=E2=80=9D and are well worth buying. =20 ------------------------------ From: "Jeff Frank" Subject: Attn: Louisville and Knoxville Tapers (This Thu and Fri) Reply-To: "Jeff Frank" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:50:45 -0600 Donna the Buffalo will be in Louisville on Thursday and Knoxville on Friday. The guy who seems to tape all of their shows won't be there. I can only cover Nashville on Saturday. If anyone can make these shows I'll cover your ticket cost plus a couple of drinks in return for either the master DAT or your ability to upload it to www.archive.org. http://www.donnathebuffalo.com/Showz.cfm Thanks.......Jeff ------------------------------ From: "Otten, William" Subject: ISO: Clark, Lovett, Ely, Hiatt 2/17/03 Santa Cruz Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:11:58 -0500 Looking for this show in any format. Lots to trade. Let me know. 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