DAT-heads Digest #35, Volume #7 Fri, 27 Feb 04 18:50:01 EST Contents: Re:cdr comparison? (Keith Bode) DDS Tapes ("Frank Rinaldi") FS- Etymotic Research ER-4S in-ear headphones (Kurt Vogel) ISO Recent Brian Wilson Tour FS: Sony Standalone DVD Recorder (KindTaper@aol.com) Re: Where do you buy your tapes? (Mikkel Breiler) Re: Office Depot - Maxell 90 meter tapes ("Charles Quinn") (Mikkel Breiler) FS: Nice Detroit Neil Young Ticket (Marv Van Haitsma) Chris Whitley Tour still need tapers! ("Kenneth Dudzik") GD tape saturation question (Clark Guy) Office Max 90 Meter tapes.... wha'happan? ("Todd Norman") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Bode Subject: Re:cdr comparison? Reply-To: t.tunakebo@verizon.net Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:30:27 -0800 > > >hello... >im very curious to find out a bit more about the 'made in taiwan' -vs- 'made >in japan' cdr media debate. can any kind folks point me to a website that >gives some pros & cons of it all? > As far as I know, all the information is a culmination of annecdotal experience. If you'd like a more scientific study, I can only suggest performing it oneself. Persnally I tried a variety of media 5+ years ago. If I had problems with it then, I'm not interested in spending money to find out if the problems I had in the past have changed. I still use what I had success with years ago, and don't use media I had prblems with. To put it simply, I had success with TY manufactured media, and various degree's of success, and failure, with other manufacturers. I'm not remotely willing to fork over $20 or so to find out if Imation still sucks. I never saw a scientific study, and I wouldn't care if I did. I remember taking Statistics (Yecch) years ago. Right at the start the professor said "using Statistics, you can obtain any result you'd like". Unfortunately I had to sit through an entire semester of that. Keith ------------------------------ From: "Frank Rinaldi" Subject: DDS Tapes Reply-To: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:35:29 -0800 We stock Maxell and Sony DDS tapes as well. Here is some special pricing we set up for the Taper Section list. I thought I would pass it on to this great list of folks as well. If Office Max runs out of their stock keep us in mind! http://www.cascademedia.net/cgi-bin/cmedia/tapers By tapers for tapers..... Frank Cascade Media, LLC For All Your Digital Recording Needs Portland, Oregon USA (888)336-4643 (503)234-4294 (503)232-5874 -fax www.cascademedia.net ------------------------------ From: Kurt Vogel Subject: FS- Etymotic Research ER-4S in-ear headphones Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:52:53 -0800 (PST) I've got my set for sale on Ebay at the below link (item #3079995091). Probably some of the best headphones/earphones for monitoring in live taping situations, including "low profile" type applications. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3079995091&category=40137 thanks Kurt ------------------------------ From: Subject: ISO Recent Brian Wilson Tour Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:08:28 -0500 Can anyone help me with this? thanks, steve james ------------------------------ From: KindTaper@aol.com Subject: FS: Sony Standalone DVD Recorder Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:41:34 EST To anyone looking to buy a nearly new standalone DVD recorder, I am posting this for a friend. He is a major trader and should be on the up and up. If you are interested in his DVD recorder, please contact HIM, not me. His e-mail address is in his posting. Thanks: <> Again, if you are interested, his e-mail is RBayers@bellsouth.net Thanks, Wes Kindtaper@aol.com p.s. Anyone have any Clearlake or Franz Ferdinand? ------------------------------ From: Mikkel Breiler Subject: Re: Where do you buy your tapes? Reply-To: mibm@tiscali.dk Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:40:53 +0100 >From: "Rob Katz" >Subject: Where do you buy your tapes? >Reply-To: >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:43:04 -0500 > >No doubt that the Office Max $2.53 per 90 +tax is a good price. = But...is >this the very best price out there? http://www.tape.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/cgi-bin/pagegennew.pl?U+cassette= +wxaj8105+DAT%20Tape 12DDS90MAX 10 Pack MAXELL 90 Meters/180 Minutes DDS Grade - Soft box - With card and= label=20 ** Ground UPS - Continental U.S. Only ** $24.95 Note 60 meter tape is same price and both include US shipping !!!!! -breiler ------------------------------ From: Mikkel Breiler Subject: Re: Office Depot - Maxell 90 meter tapes ("Charles Quinn") Reply-To: mibm@tiscali.dk Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:41:04 +0100 >From: "Charles Quinn" >Subject: Office Depot - Maxell 90 meter tapes >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:13:18 -0800 > >Friend told me about three packs of Maxell 90 meter tapes for $7.58, = breaks >down to $2.53 per tape. Their website has 10 packs for $27.63. I bought = out >my local store. I have yet to see such low prices here in Europe, also I can't see any = mention on office Depots site of international order handling so they probably don't= handle that. -breiler ------------------------------ From: Marv Van Haitsma Subject: FS: Nice Detroit Neil Young Ticket Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:40:58 -0800 (PST) List, It is unfortunate that I may not be making the forth coming Neil Young show at the Fox Theatre in Detroit. However, my "misfortune" may be someone Else's "fortune" as I'm looking to sell the ticket. It is a row 6(?) seat in the second section of the floor. More specifically: Sec. F2, Row F, Seat 210 I am looking to get only my cost of the ticket back. My cost for the ticket is $127.95. I would negotiate a "little" with a DAT taper who will possibly be taping the show who is interested in the ticket...albeit for a copy of the show. If interested, please e-mail me privately off list. Rock On!! Marv ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ From: "Kenneth Dudzik" Subject: Chris Whitley Tour still need tapers! Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:46:31 -0600 Hello fellow tapers, There are some new dates recently added to Chris Whitley's tour and I am hoping to find some people to tape his shows if they are in your area. He is taper friendly, they allow sbd access, he's playing solo acoustic and you can get the best mix through the board. I taped him last night in Indianapolis and spoke with his manager who said it is completely cool for people to tape his shows all he asks is that you send him a copy. The shows run about 1 hour to 1 hour and 15 minutes and the shows cost $10-$15. If anyone can help out, please let me know, many thanks, tape on! Ken 3/4/04 David Cotton Saxon Pub Austin TX 512-448-2552 8 PM 3/5/04 David Cotton Saxon Pub Austin TX 512-448-2552 8 PM 3/6/04 Rhythm Room Rhythm Room Houston TX 713-863-0943 9:45pm 3/10/04 JT Presents Club Lingerie Los Angeles CA 310-823-6596 8:30pm 3/11/04 Brick by Brick San Diego CA 619-276-3993 9pm 3/16/04 Henfling's Ben Lomond CA 831-335-1642 9pm 3/18/04 1moe.com Events The Hacienda Reno NV 775-746-2228 7:30pm 3/19/04 12 Galaxies San Francisco CA 415-309-9240 10PM 3/20/04 12 Galaxies San Francisco CA 415-309-9240 10PM 3/21/04 The Palms Winters CA 530-795-1825 7:30pm 3/23/04 Paradiso Cafe Paradiso Eugene OR 541-485-3088 8pm 3/24/04 Tractor Tavern Seattle WA 206-789-3599 9pm 3/25/04 Dante's Portland OR 503-318-2213 9pm ------------------------------ From: Clark Guy Subject: GD tape saturation question Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:22:50 -0600 HI, Dave! Since I see no one has responded to your question, I'll take a stab at it. I've noticed this sort of behaviour from both my open reel and cassette recordings. It seems to be associated with older tapes as well as dirty heads. I've verified that the problem is that the tape is sticking to the tape head as it passes by, a phenomenon known as "stiction". This is the same mechanism that causes a violin string to vibrate as the bow is passed over it. In the case of the violin, the horse-hair of the bow is coated with a slightly sticky substance (rosin) that enables the violin string to stick slightly to the bow hair. As the bow hair is pulled sideways, the string is pulled along for a while until the stiction force of the bow is overwhelmed by the spring force of the string, whereupon the bow hair continues to move on while the string snaps back past its original position, where it is captured by a new spot on the bowhair, and the cycle continues. Thus, the string vibrates at it's resonant frequency. In the tape recorder situation, the tape is normally lubricated in some fashion, often a silicone compound is used. This lubricant, however can be worn off , or evaporated. Also, as many of us found out the hard way, many of the "better" brands of tape in the 1970s and 1980s used a binder to hold the magnetic material to the (usually) mylar base of the tape that deteriorated a decade or so later, becoming gummy and sticky. As the tape passes over the heads, this stickiness can cause the tape stick in place for a brief moment, until the stretchiness of the tape overcomes the stickiness, releasing the tape to move again, until it can be grabbed again by the head, over and over. This uneven movement modulates the signal picked up by the tape head, resulting in a squeaking, or buzzing tone to be heard over the music. In fact, I verified this effect by noticing that I could hear the tape singing as it moved over the heads, and by listening to the head with one ear, and listening to the recording with the other (using headphones) I could make both noises go away or return by judicious application of a q-tip to the moving tape surface near the heads, dampening the vibration. I suspect that it is this slip-grab effect that you are noticing on some of these vintage recordings. (of course, I can't verify this without hearing it myself, and maybe not even then...) Hope that helps! Guy Clark <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Digit" Subject: GD tape saturation question Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:21:57 -0600 I have often wondered what is actually going on with some eras of Grateful Dead soundboard recordings. In particular, I was listening to the amazing performance from Roosevelt Stadium 8/6/74 yesterday during a road trip. I am working under the assumption that this was recorded with a reel-to-reel set-up as their are evident tape changes during the performance. What I am curious about is what appears to sound like a ringing/buzzing noise that can be heard through various portions of this and other recordings. They seem to be coming from sections of the recording where there is a lot of dynamic range esp. in the bottom end. However, it doesn't always appear when Phil is dropping those big bombs. I have always assumed that the tape was somehow overloaded and became saturated. I am probably using the wrong term for this occurrence but am interested in what that "ringing/buzzing" sound represents. Could it actually be sound that is being produced on-stage? Any feedback from this knowledgeable community would be appreciated! Dave ------------------------------ From: "Todd Norman" Subject: Office Max 90 Meter tapes.... wha'happan? Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:26:09 -0600 anyone use TDK for their DAT media? Cassette House has a 10 pack/60m/DDS for $17.95. Sale/promotion goes 'til 3-1-04 I believe. Any (good/bad) reports of these?? ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************