DAT-heads Digest #73, Volume #7 Sun, 4 Apr 04 21:50:01 EDT Contents: re: stg (George Wang) "Unsubscribe Sharing The Groove Mailing List" (Nick Graham) STG thoughts ("lee b") DAT Masters for blanks ("Keith S. Kreider") Looking for Mars Volta shows ("T. Simpson") Who Owns STG Shows? ("Martin Klingmeyer") RE: Opinions on STG ("Martin Klingmeyer") ISO: 23 Jan. 2004 Maceo Parker ("dan schmid") FS: MBHO KA 200 N Cardioid Microphone Capsules (Ben Collette) FS: 210 Pro-Audio Single Pass DAT Tapes ("james helgy") ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Wang Subject: re: stg Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 19:18:05 -0800 (PST) I agree to a certain extent with those that say once you've traded your source away, it's no longer yours. Also as Alex aluded to, people are going to do whatever the heck they want with your source even if you put a line in a text file like 'do not convert to mp3'. I won't go into this too much because frankly cds are cheap, bandwidth via high speed is much cheaper than it was say 5 years ago, so many people I interact with don't even snail mail trade anymore. Therefore, who cares if someones infiltrating the trading pool with shn>wav>mp3>wav>shn. As long as you can download a sample, pop it up in cooledit and see the waveform, you know not to waste a $0.10 cdr and 1.5 minutes of burning time on it. Then you go find the taper and get it from him directly. My problem with stg is the same problem I have with ebay. That of anonymous schmucks being able to get a login without any checks and balances to make sure their intention isn't to get it and put it on ebay. As Bill Shaw posted earlier (I think), the value of the show is in the first couple weeks after it's happened. Then the demand for those sources drops off as weeks and months pass and the only people still looking are those die-hard fans that hopefully are fans that do not sell. Until stg addresses the ease of the anonymous ebay seller to get their hands on sellable sources, I'm going to continue trading within a trusted circle of tapers and traders I know and trust and let everyone else get the single point mic>md sources that are put out on stg every hour without source info. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ From: Nick Graham Subject: "Unsubscribe Sharing The Groove Mailing List" Reply-To: Nick Graham Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:30:51 -0600 (GMT-06:00) :-) I have to echo the sentiments of 99% of the people who've responded thus far. If you don't want your shows circulated in a manner that's beyond your control...don't give copies to anybody. That's pretty much the only solution. The reason I, and so many others, got into taping in the first place was to spread music that otherwise might not get heard. I take at as almost an honor when I see someone taking the time to spread a show I taped, whether it be via B+P, trade offers, or STG. Just my $.02 Nick BWT: SHN B+P for Derek Trucks Band 10.22.03 (mbho 603a/ka200n>mp2>sbm1>d8), files direct from my master dat, which was direct from my rig, which anyone's free to directly circulate anyway they directly choose... Direct on that? ;-) ------------------------------ From: "lee b" Subject: STG thoughts Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 08:09:53 +0000 When I first started trading, long ago, it was in the world of cassettes and Relix Magazine ads. I have to admit that I enjoyed the hierarchy of having master tapes that were always superior to analog copies. When the digital world came into being, I had to deal with the reality of sending out copies that were every bit as good as the originals. In time I found that the vast amount of music that's now available more than makes up for all my masters becoming everyone else's masters. And whenever I want a one-of-a-kind jewel, I just go out and tape a show. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŽ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ From: "Keith S. Kreider" Subject: DAT Masters for blanks Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 11:31:04 -0400 OK folks, festival season is quickly approaching so it is time to stock up on blanks so I can do it all over again. I'd prefer to trade these for a new box of ten Maxells hs-4/60m's only please. All to the same person. All but 3 are masters. Here is what is in this box. 48k masters: 1) Nothing Fancy 6/13/03 Wind Gap BGF, SBD:DA-P1 (long leader) 2) Hickory Project 6/15/03 Mayville BGF, SBD:DA-P1 3) Hickory Project 6/14/03 Mayville BGF, SBD:DA-P1 *and* King Wilkie same date/venue 4&5) Tim O'Brien and John Doyle 4/4/03 Old Park Church, Elmira, NY SBD:DA-P1 (2 tapes) 6&7) Derek Trucks Band 1/22/04 Rongovian Embassy. T'burg, NY skm140>v3>DA-P1 clones: 8) New Grass Revival 10/18/83, Holstein's, Chitown SBD 9) James Taylor with Jerry Douglas, Mark O'Connor & Edgar Meyer 9/23//89, NYC FM 10) Del McCoury Band 9/28/91 Half Moon Bay BGF, SBD:DAT Please send replies off list. ...Kk ------------------------------ From: "T. Simpson" Subject: Looking for Mars Volta shows Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 08:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Hello all, If anyone has taped The Mars Volta and is interested in a trade please let me know. I have a lot of Tool and some other bands to offer in return. Many thanks. peace, Travis __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ From: "Martin Klingmeyer" Subject: Who Owns STG Shows? Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:41:26 -0400 From: "cuss" Subject: Re: Subject: Opinions on STAG Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:25:13 -0500 > Are they really your shows? NOT! Actually, while the underlying musical composition belongs to someone else; In the United States the copyright in the Sound Recording would most likely be construed to belong to the taper. In that sense, "the show" would belong to him. -Martin ------------------------------ From: "Martin Klingmeyer" Subject: RE: Opinions on STG Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:46:53 -0400 Clint, My advice would be two fold: (a) If you want total control of your work, never let it out. Consider withholding parts of your collection. You are under no obligation to share. (b) Consider a creative commons license (http://creativecommons.org/) for what you do release. -Martin ------------------------------ From: "dan schmid" Subject: ISO: 23 Jan. 2004 Maceo Parker Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 12:03:48 -0500 ISO: 23 Jan. 2004 Hollywood - Los Angeles/CA House Of Blues Maceo Parker -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ------------------------------ From: Ben Collette Subject: FS: MBHO KA 200 N Cardioid Microphone Capsules Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 21:32:11 GMT Hi All, I have an extra set of the MBHO KA 200 N Cardioid Microphone capsules that I need to sell. These are practically brand new, have been tested and work perfectly. Retail value is $500 for both so I would like to get $400 or best offer before resorting to an Ebay auction. Email with any questions. Thanks, Ben BWT: ABB 3/27/04 NYC, NY (MBHO KA200N>active cables>603A>PS2>modSBM1>PCMM1, front row balcony) ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ From: "james helgy" Subject: FS: 210 Pro-Audio Single Pass DAT Tapes Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 19:00:49 -0500 I'm selling off some of my INCREDIBLE DATs. They all were used by recording studios for production & finding the perfect mixes before production. There are NO data & cheapass tapes. They range in length from 30min.-94min......with most being closer to the latter. They are manfucatured by Apogee, Ampex, HHB, Denon, Maxell, Sony, DIC, TDK, 3M, AGFA.Most of them have tags reading "Production Master....Remix Master.....and the like. Actually, There are several artists you are familliar with, but, as I'm selling these as blanks, I WILL NOT mention the artists. Most of these tapes sold for $8-$12 apiece........which means it'd be worth $1680 - $2520! I'm putting them up @ $1.85 each!!!! So, With shipping, if you want USPS priority mail......It'd be $408.50.........UPS Ground is $412.00..........Keep in mind, these are the rates for the Continental USA states. Reach me here, or @ jameshelgerson@sbcglobal.net . _________________________________________________________________ Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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