DAT-heads Digest #74
Contents:
FS: Sony D10 Pro Portable DAT (JPas4308@aol.com)
DAMAGEPLAN (Masaki)
ISO-JEFF BECK...Royal Festival Hall, London 13th September 2002 ("Bob Silver")
re: stg (Robert & Karen)
Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Opinions on STAG ("cjs")
ISO: STRAWBS DEC. 1976 CAPITAL THEATRE FM MASTER CASSETTE (analog414@comcast.net)
re: stg (Barry Welch)
Hi / Any Atlanta tapers here? / Need radio show taped Monday (bigjazzfan@cableone.net)
looking for complete recording of Neil Young-3-28-70 Santa Nonica Civic Aud ("Joe Ray Skrha, Attorney at Law")
Core Sound HEB ("Dave")
Does quality lessen with each over-dub of a DAT tape? (Wade)
Re: creative commons license ("Wayne Brissette")
iso: galactic 3.30.04 PGH (Nick Zuccaro)
Super Bit Mapping (Wade)
ISO of recent The Darkness/The Wildhearts shows (A R)
Re: Super Bit Mapping (Wayne Hoxsie)
WANTED: dylan warner theatre DC 4-apr-2004 ("John R. Vanderpool")
my thoughts.....STG ("Matthew")
FS: AKG 483, Fostex D5, Sony D8 (derek jones)
FS: Pair of Core Sound 7 pins... ("Middleton, Scott D.")
Copyrights in recordings of shows . . . (Dave D)
From: JPas4308@aol.com
Subject: FS: Sony D10 Pro Portable DAT
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:58:14 -0400
Totally refurbished and comes with brand new slave battery pack and AES/EBU digital cables.
Looking for $1100 OBO.
Reply to jsp@rattetlaw.com
Jon Pasternak
From: Masaki <redbeard@interlink.or.jp>
Subject: DAMAGEPLAN
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:30:16 +0900
Hi There....i did tape DAMAGEPLAN few weeks ago....(it's DIMEBAG DARELL
& VINNIE PAUL
new band...)...yes,it's almost PANTERA sound!!.....and they did play 2
pantera's classic
tune "WALK"& "A NEW LEVEL".......is there heavy rock fans!?....if ya
love them,please e-mail me.....
thanks,
From: "Bob Silver" <bocabob@bellsouth.net>
Subject: ISO-JEFF BECK...Royal Festival Hall, London 13th September 2002
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:43:24 -0400
I figured I'd try and put out feelers for a recording of JEFF BECK at Royal
Festival Hall, London 13th September 2002, to go on a DVD filmed from same
show for better sound!
Following is the request from the Filmer:
Filmed on a Panasonic DS55 mini dv camcorder using inbuilt mic (big mistake)
captured, edited, simple motion menu made with Vegas 4. Authored to DVD with
REEL dvd 2.5
The audio on this show isn’t excellent, the inbuilt (normally very good) mic
was used but for some reason it just didn’t come out all that good (its
certainly very listenable though)
If anyone has a DAT source of the show I’d be happy to re author the DVD
from the master tapes it would certainly be worthwhile
Just figured I'd try to help, ;)
Gather the memories and spread the love!!
Peace,
Boca Bob Silver
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-bocabob
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From: Robert & Karen <karob@easystreet.com>
Subject: re: stg
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 19:48:32 -0700
another benefit of sharing your recordings:
if something ever happens to your masters, how are you going to get a
replacement if you keep em to your self?
Robert
From: "cjs" <flyintpot@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Opinions on STAG
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 21:49:10 -0500
From: "Martin Klingmeyer" <martinwk@ptd.net>
Subject: Who Owns STG Shows?
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 12:41:26 -0400
From: "cuss" <flyintpot@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: Opinions on STAG
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:25:13 -0500
<SNIP>
> Are they really your shows? NOT!
>>Actually, while the underlying musical composition belongs >>to someone
else;
>>In the United States the copyright in the Sound Recording >>would most
likely
>>be construed to belong to the taper. In that sense, "the >>show" would
belong
>>to him.
>>-Martin
Think global. This list is, or should be, for a global
community of DATheads and not just the USA tapers.
Thanks,
Carl
From: analog414@comcast.net
Subject: ISO: STRAWBS DEC. 1976 CAPITAL THEATRE FM MASTER CASSETTE
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 03:08:58 +0000
Hello fellow tapers, anyone old enough out there that recorded the Strawbs
in December 1976 at the Capital Theatre live on FM? Or that knows who did? I
will send 5 concerts from my list to anyone who can hook me up with the MASTER
FM CASSETTE from that live performance. There has to be a few who recorded that
gig on the radio. Just pick out 5 shows that are already on cd. If I can borrow
that master cassette I will make it ten concerts. "Original Master Recordings"
Good Luck and Best Regards Rick B.
http://home.comcast.net/~analog414/RicksRecordings.html
From: Barry Welch <barryw@io.com>
Subject: re: stg
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:18:12 -0600
interesting thread. i just discovered stg recently and grabbed a few of
Neils latest Greendales a recent Dylan, and a sweet 77 Jerry show and
I'm loving it.. I tried to sell my buddy john goode on the concept since
he recently moved over to roadrunner, but he was bummed about his
burner crappin' out on him.. the convo:
me: Neil @ bonnaroo's up
grab it! It's a soundboard I think
http://www.sharingthegroove.org/msgboard/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54277&highlight=Neil+Young
jbg: I do plenty trading with tapers not traitors GET it?
me: nope I don't "GET it"! WTF do you mean by traitors?
jbg: I was just fupuckin around as I xcan barly keep up with people
like you than
the world.
Tapers make the tapes Its a job. Taders trade. downloaders get it all.
I can feel his resentment, since it has been said here before... it's
getting easier
and easier to just grab stuff of the internet, but taping is hard
work... almost
a job sometimes, and johnny like myself takes his hobby seriously... he's the
guy who introduced me to sonic studios DSM-6 mics many years ago and
since I got my pair I love 'em and my hobby.... But I don't really
feel the tape/
show belongs to the taper... if it "Belongs" to anyone, it's the
artists/performers,
and I don't mind sharing the "archives" that I've been lucky enough
to have made.
so Carl, like Jerry sez: Relax! I realize the trade bait value of a
show may diminish
drastically if everybody and their little brother already has your DAT show in
mp3 on their nomad or iPod...
--
"Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking for it"
- Henry David Thoreau
b
It s hard to plese the masses with a fucped burner.
From: bigjazzfan@cableone.net
Subject: Hi / Any Atlanta tapers here? / Need radio show taped Monday
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:43:33 -0600
Hi,
I'm hoping to find someone in Atlanta who could tape
something off CNN "Radio" tomorrow (Monday April 5th).
It's a interview at 6:30 PM (Atlanta time).
I don't know what station frequency is CNN Radio is on.
It could be AM or FM.
Not sure if it will run one hour.
It's an interview with Melissa Manchester.
If anyone can help I would be happy to trade and cover expenses.
Please email me if you can help.
bigjazzfan1@aol.com
Thanks, Mark
From: "Joe Ray Skrha, Attorney at Law" <joeray@ptialaska.net>
Subject: looking for complete recording of Neil Young-3-28-70 Santa Nonica Civic Aud
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:02:59 -0800
Hello Friends,
Recently I was asked for a copy of my recording of Neil Young/Crazy
Horse at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium from 3-28-1970. When I compared
my setlist to the master list on Tom Hambleton's fab-riffic "Sugar Mountain
Site" I discovered my version was missing 6 songs.
Hence, I request if anyone had a complete recording of this show with
the below setlist, can you contact me for a trade??? The correct setlist
from the complete show is:
On The Way Home, I Am A Child, Everybody's Alone*, I Believe In You, Birds,
Nowadays Clancy Can't Even Sing, The Loner, Helpless, Country Girl,
Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, Winterlong, Down By The River, Wonderin,
Come On Baby, Let's Go Downtown, Cinnamon Girl, Cowgirl In The Sand
I just remastered and remixed my two master recordings of 2-11-73 and
11-19-73 of Neil in Cleveland. The versions floating around are straight
analog without any remixing... I now have the remixed version of my masters
with better sound and much less noise. ProTools can do wonders...
So, if you have a complete 3-28-1970 recording in fine shape and wish
to trade from my 140 page list, please let me know. I will email you my
list or you can have both of these remixed masters... . email me at my new
address: joeray@alaska.net Peace, Joe Ray
ps: I have been on these lists for over 8 years. spam finally got me... my
old address : joeray@ptialaska.net will be killed off. My new address is:
joeray@alaska.net please put it in your notebooks or address books.
Peace... and Happy Easter !!!!
From: "Dave" <neutrino@ameritech.net>
Subject: Core Sound HEB
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:12:31 -0500
Looking for someone who records with Core Sound HEB's who could offer offer
a few MP3 samples of how they perform. If you can help, please get in touch.
dB-
From: Wade <vextos@hotmail.com>
Subject: Does quality lessen with each over-dub of a DAT tape?
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:38:11 -0800
I know it's a digital medium and therefore like a cd shouldn't be prone to
quality loss, but do DAT tapes become more prone to errors with each
consecutive over-dub? ie: You record an entire tape and then re-record over
the original material and over-dub that, etc...
From: "Wayne Brissette" <waynefb@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: creative commons license
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 03:32:08 -0500
"Martin Klingmeyer" <martinwk@ptd.net> on 4/4/04 at 20:50 stated:
>
>(b) Consider a creative commons license (http://creativecommons.org/) for
>what you do release.
Having looked at this, there is only one problem (actually two) with
this. There isn't a section that says don't convert this to X format.
There is a section on derivative works, but if you read the legal version
of the license conversions isn't covered. The second problem is while
cute, this license isn't much of a license from a legal standpoint.
Let's face it, none of the issues Clint is worried about are going to be
helped by using this license. People will do what people want with music
once they get their hands on it.
Wayne
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From: Nick Zuccaro <nmz77@yahoo.com>
Subject: iso: galactic 3.30.04 PGH
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 03:05:11 -0700 (PDT)
hey there, i'm looking for the galactic show from mr. small's
funhouse in pittsburgh from a week or so ago...did anybody tape
it?? i have tons of stuff to trade...let me know....l8r...Nick
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From: Wade <vextos@hotmail.com>
Subject: Super Bit Mapping
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 04:41:14 -0800
Anyone bought the Sony SBM-1? I would be using it with my D100. Is the
quality noticeably better? Are the Oade brothers SBM-1 upgrades worth
getting? Or can I do this myself? Where's the best place to buy an SBM-1?
From: A R <rnrjunkee@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO of recent The Darkness/The Wildhearts shows
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:34:15 -0700 (PDT)
Looking for any of the recent show from The Darkness.
Im also really looking for the opening act The
Wildhearts as well. If your planning on taping any of
the upcoming shows could you please tape The
Wildhearts as well they are a kick ass rock band from
England who The Darkness are trying to break in the US
after 12 years of obscurity here. Also if anyone has
any other shows by The Wildhearts plaese contact me!
Tue 03/26/04 Milwaukee, WI Eagles Ballroom
Wed 03/27/04 Chicago, IL The Vic Theatre
Thu 03/28/04 Detroit, MI Clutch Cargo's
Sun 04/04/04 Providence, RI Lupo's At The Strand
Tue 04/06/04 Washington, DC 9:30 Club
Thu 04/08/04 Atlanta, GA Tabernacle
Fri 04/09/04 New Orleans, LA House Of Blues
Sun 04/11/04 Houston, TX Verizon Wireless Theater
Mon 04/12/04 Dallas, TX Gypsy Tea Room
Tue 04/13/04 Austin, TX Stubb's Barbeque
Thu 04/15/04 Tempe, AZ Marquee Theatre
Fri 04/16/04 San Diego, CA SOMA
Sat 04/17/04 Los Angeles, CA Henry Fonda Theatre
Sun 04/18/04 Los Angeles, CA Henry Fonda Theatre
Mon 04/19/04 Denver, CO Ogden Theatre
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From: Wayne Hoxsie <Wayne@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Re: Super Bit Mapping
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 09:39:25 -0500
Wade wrote:
> Anyone bought the Sony SBM-1? I would be using it with my D100. Is the
> quality noticeably better? Are the Oade brothers SBM-1 upgrades worth
> getting? Or can I do this myself? Where's the best place to buy an SBM-1?
I have an unmodded(1) SBM-1 that I use in conjunction with a Sony
PCM-M1. To my not-so-trained ear, there is very little noticeable
difference. The A/D circuitry in the M1 is excellent for a portable and
in a stealth situation, I'd see no need for adding the SBM-1's bulk to
the chain. I used to like the fact that the SBM-1 gave independent
control to right and left inputs, but since getting a set of good
matched mics, I rarely need to make any adjustments.
I'd like to hear a comparison of an Oade modded SBM-1 to the stock
M1/D100 A/D but I don't know anyone that has one.
As far as purchasing a new SBM-1, I believe that Sony no longer makes
them so that might be tough.
1. It is modded to the extent that it has a coax digital output in
addition to the Sony 7-pin cable. I did this mod myself.
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
wayne@hoxnet.com
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From: "John R. Vanderpool" <fish@daacdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: WANTED: dylan warner theatre DC 4-apr-2004
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:55:56 -0400 (EDT)
i saw all three DC shows this weekend (couldn't resist!) and the Warner
show was the best - would love a good tape of it... lots of dylan to
trade. i took some nice pix of the theatre (inside and marquee)
--
thanx,
fish
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From: "Matthew" <wehttam6284@hvc.rr.com>
Subject: my thoughts.....STG
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:01:51 -0400
How about this guys? If it weren't STG, then I'm sure there would be another
avenue....before STG there was Direct Connect. Some still use this program
as a matter of fact. My opinion is that if everyone didn't take this oh
well, who cares, attitude then I'm sure this wouldn't be such a bad thing. I
post all shows I tape on the groove, except the ones I find other tapers
hording, such as APC, Tool, etc. People who tape these bands are notoriously
greedy. I just make a promise to anyone who puts my shows on the
groove.....first off; if you do put them on there, and you're a taper, best
expect me to do the same...with most hording tapers, it does the trick.
Secondly I promise that if they do it they also will never receive another
show from me. I also request all trades go through me, this isn't because I
am greedy.... I simply want to keep the CD generation low, and quality as
high as possible.
"Therefore, who cares if someones infiltrating the trading pool with
shn>wav>mp3>wav>shn. As long as you can download a sample, pop it up in
cooledit and see the waveform, you know not to waste a $0.10 cdr and
1.5 minutes of burning time on it. Then you go find the taper and get it
from him directly."
I care.....VERY much so. Jerks like that are a waste of my time, and time as
I am sure you will agree, is worth far more than a $0.10 cdr. With STG, and
any other BIT TORRENT related site, you cant download a sample....unless the
poster puts a TORRENT up with just a sample. Don't get me wrong guys, I am
NOT against internet sharing/trading. But I do think its best left for bands
like Primus, who record SBDs of their shows and sell them on their website.
This gives people a choice, low quality AUD tape, or a high quality SBD. I
personally would choose the latter. What aggrevates me is most of the people
that complain about shows sold on ebay, is MOST have bought a show or more
off of it. Want them off ebay, e-mail the band with an explanation and a
link to www.primuslive.com. Tell them to go to ebay and try to find a show
for sale on there of Primus. And to then do a search for bands who don't
allow taping/sell their own boots. Its usually a good bet you will find more
of said band.
Peace,
Matt
From: derek jones <dcj@cox-internet.com>
Subject: FS: AKG 483, Fostex D5, Sony D8
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:02:05 -0600
I still have the following items for sale:
AKG 483's, with AT shock mounts, akg stereo bar, wind screens.... $1200
OBO
Fostex D5 - studio home dat. perfect condition, low hours, bomber
deck. $350
Sony D8 with eco charge sigma dual 6V battery. Just serviced. great
field deck. $350
thanks for the bw,
derek
From: "Middleton, Scott D." <MiddletonS@umkc.edu>
Subject: FS: Pair of Core Sound 7 pins...
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:17:55 -0500
For Sale:
Pair of used 7-pin input/output cables made by Core Sound. One is coax
to 7-pin (input), the other is 7-pin to coax (output). I have using
them with my D8 and they work great. The shrink-wrap on the output
cable has come off, but it still works flawlessly. Both cables are in
working order, the input cable being only weeks old. If you need more
info browse to: http://www.core-sound.com/7-pin-coax-blurb.html and
http://www.core-sound.com/7-pin-bible.html. Note that these are being
sold as a pair only. Looking for $60+SH, OBO. Shoot me an email if
interested. I can provide pics as well.
Scott
From: Dave D <hobbesthecorgi44@yahoo.com>
Subject: Copyrights in recordings of shows . . .
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:28:02 -0700 (PDT)
Discussion Re shows on STG
Comment: Are they really your shows? NOT!
Response: Actually, while the underlying musical composition
belongs to someone else; In the United States the copyright in
the Sound Recording would most likely be construed to belong to
the taper. In that sense, "the show" would belong to him.
-Martin
Comment/Response: The above statement is not 100% accurate. My
understanding is that if the artist/performer makes a recording
of his/her performance (fixed in a tangible medium of expression
(e.g., via a tape or cd)), then the copyright in that
performance belongs to the performer. The right to fix a copy
of a performance is one of the exclusive rights included in the
Copyright Act and one of the issues debated and fairly
well-documented in the 1976 Copyright revisions (i.e. how to
secure a copyright of a live performance).
An unauthorized taper, or even an authorized taper for that
matter, would not have any copyright in a recording of a
performance if that performance is recorded by the performer.
The most a taper with permission would have would be some sort
of limited license attributed to their copy (with no rights of
distribution, etc) but only if expressly granted from the
performer. Some artists' taping policies indicate that copies
can be made (distributed) in trades of equal medium or for cost.
I don't think that technically amounts to a grant of the
exclusive right of distribution held by a copyright owner . . .
Now my statements are based on some recent quick research and
from my intellectual property courses that go back about 12
years ago now. Yeesh. I'm not a practicing intellectual
property atty, so it's quite possible there have been subsequent
changes in the Copyright statute or case law interpretation that
I missed. But I doubt any changes would loosen the rights
afforded to the copyright holder . . . so I certainly welcome
any comments or corrections to my statments. . .
Dave
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