DAT-heads Digest #191
Contents:
Re: ISO: Crossroads Festival 2004 (Dave Chapman)
ISO: Boston Area Tapers ("Schofield, William")
Melvins Tour - Boston ("Schofield, William")
Nomad ("Saint Steven")
Request for L.A. Taper - Joni Mitchell (KindTaper@aol.com)
RE: Subject: The future of Live recordings ("Gordon Gidluck")
Hillside Festival - Guelph ("David Murray")
re: FW: There ought to be a law! ("Slipkid")
joe walsh on tour with STP members ("Slipkid")
Leo Kottke Tape Policy? ("Kenneth Dudzik")
BT: Praxis 6/11/04 bonnaroo dpa 4022 (Benjamin Cho)
From: Dave Chapman <dave@dchapman.com>
Subject: Re: ISO: Crossroads Festival 2004
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:13:27 +0100
Geetarz wrote:
> Still looking for the Sirius broadcast of the 2004 Crossroads Guitar
> Festival on DAT. Beware, lots of (very deaf) people out there spreading the
> webcast on various CD sets claiming they are from the satellite broadcast.
> No CDs please, DigiSat -> DAT only.
Just out of curiousity, what type of digital audio compression was used
by the Sirius satellite broadcasts of Crossroads?
In Europe, digital radio (on various platforms, including satellite)
uses MPEG-1, Layer II compression, at bitrates varying from as low as
64kbps mono up to about 256kbps stereo. The most common bitrates used
for music-based stations is 192kbps Stereo or Joint-Stereo.
I'm interested to know what kinds of compression and bitrates are used
in North America.
Dave.
From: "Schofield, William" <WSchofield@banknorth.com>
Subject: ISO: Boston Area Tapers
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:18:13 -0400
I'm looking for Boston Area Tapers who might have taped these shows:
The Strokes: 10/02/2002 Fleet Boston Pavilion
The Strokes: 05/15/2004 Orpheum Theater
The Hives: 07/23/2004 Avalon Ballroom
Bill
From: "Schofield, William" <WSchofield@banknorth.com>
Subject: Melvins Tour - Boston
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:26:20 -0400
Hey there fellow Boston-area tapers! The Melvins are coming around. Here's
the info:
09/15/2004 Middle East Cambridge, MA
I might be going but I'm not sure. I have to see if I can borrow a mic from
someone. Anyone else going??
Bill
From: "Saint Steven" <teasinthatbooboo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Nomad
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:56:28 -0400
I've used a Nomad Jukebox 3 for live recording for nearly two years. IMHO,
it works at least as well as DAT in terms of reliability. There have been a
couple of recordings with noise introduced, mostly in the form of clicks and
random diginoise, but I would estimate less than 1% of the time. It's never
'misloaded' a tape, I can promise you that!
Once you have done a transfer of a 3 hour show to your hard drive in under a
minute, you'll become a convert.
You will need an A/D for phantom powering microphones, and an optical
digital output to get digi in to the Nomad, although the analog line-in
stage works fairly well when you need it. We've been using the Edirol UA5,
and it's pretty cheap and works like a champ. Level meters on the Nomad
suck, although they are better than nothing. I keep meaning to build a
little box of LEDs for easier level monitoring, but still haven't gotten
around to it.
You can record various sampling rates, and maybe bitrates - as far as I
know, the Nomad just records the digital signal you feed it (I've fed it
48k, no problem), although I'm sure there are limits to that. Max file size
is 3 GB, unless that's been fixed in a more recent firmware update than I'm
running. With the two internal batteries, you can easily get 7-8 hours of
recording time on a charge. It's tough to get a three-hour show on one
internal battery.
It also works as a hard drive. You can fill the thing with 20 (or 40 or 60,
depending on the model you get) gigs of shows, take 'em to a friend's house,
and copy them to another computer in minutes. The 60-gig model will hold
about 85 hours of 16-bit / 44.1 khz tunes...
I like it.
We still run a D8 ('cause we have one, so why not?) in parallel out of the
UA5 as backup, but we almost never so much as play the DAT back.
Lots of info here: www.nomadness.net
Good luck.
ttbb
From: KindTaper@aol.com
Subject: Request for L.A. Taper - Joni Mitchell
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:13:34 EDT
From the Joni Mitchell discussion list:
<<Joni will be visiting Los Angeles radio station KPFK 90.7FM next Tuesday
(8/3/04)
afternoon for a Conversation/Interview.
the program will be broadcast from 4:00-to-5:00pm (CA. time),
and is hosted by Aura Bogado.
i'm told that she calls her program RadioActive but that's not a Title
you'll see in the Program Grid on the KPFK Website. you'll simply see
the names Aura Bogado/Alex Ko. THAT's the program.>>
If anyone can tape this, I have plenty of Joni to trade or I can send you
stuff by other artists. I would prefer an FM recording to a webcast, but will
take what I can get.
Please let me know if you can help.
Thanks,
Wes
Kindtaper@aol.com
From: "Gordon Gidluck" <gidluck@alltel.net>
Subject: RE: Subject: The future of Live recordings
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:57:36 -0500
Alfredo,
Perhaps you have not heard of the 24-bit recording which is now possible on
the Pocket PC?
I am continuing to develop recording software for this platform.
The solution uses a handheld pda using the Core Sound PDAudio device as a
digital input. PDAudio is in a compact flash type I card format and accepts
toslink or coaxial sources.
Using an expansion chassis, there are a variety of mass storage options,
including 5gb pcmcia disc drives, microdisk (currently available in 4gb),
and storage bricks. The storage brick (Addonics Pocket Exdrive) is an
external solution which uses a PCMCIA interface. It allows you to use laptop
drives (20, 40, 60gb) housed in a portable storage case. It can be powered
from the pocket pc or from an AC adapter. High capacity CF storage is also
available, but at a higher cost per mb.
You will need a mic pre/converter to feed PDAudio, and Core Sound makes an
excellent sounding 24-bit small form factor preamp and converter called
Mic2496. The price of the whole package (pda, converter, storage) is
comparable to the unit mentioned.
How well does it work? In the pocket pc, initially we had some problems
handling the large amount of data reliably, but I have been making
improvements to the software over the course of the last year. 24-bit/44.1
or 48kHz recording is possible using the aforementioned discs. Using an
update mode feature of my software, recording at 24-bit 96kHz is possible
for extended time periods. You can also record for up to 40 minutes at that
data rate without using the update mode recording.
Files can be up to 4gb in size and are stored in wav format. I have a tool
which can split files into 2gb pieces also. In the event that there are any
problems with framing of the data, we have found that files are recoverable
using windows editing software if imported as raw data with different
starting offsets.
Live2496 software is reasonably priced at $50 US. Information regarding
hardware is available from links on the Core Sound web pages.
http://www.core-sound.com/HighResRecorderNews.html
http://www.core-sound.com/pdaudio-cf.html
Gordon Gidluck
http://www.gidluckmastering.com/live2496.html
> From: Alfredo Caprio <MD2001@mclink.it>
> Subject: The future of Live recordings
> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:02:01 +0200 (CEST)
>
> In last digest one guys asked infos about Iriver iHP 120/ 140 and a Nomad
Jukebox 3, and I'm
> curious to know real experience of DAT taper who tried those equipment.
> Surfing on the net I found other solution, like recording with laptop, but
don't think this will be the
> reference for the "Art of taping", despite the fact that it would very
difficult tape in stealth condition.
> So I think that , in my case, that I have a set of mics that need phantom
power, the best solution
>would be a unit like the Marantz PMD670K2.
From: "David Murray" <rush2dog@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hillside Festival - Guelph
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:27:59 -0400
was wondering if anyone taped at this festival last weekend. I got the
Madviolet sets on Saturday but my gain was set too high and its clipped to
hell and back...........thanks.
ninja dave.
"rock is cool but the struggle is better.." -Amy Ray
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From: "Slipkid" <slipkid@voicenet.com>
Subject: re: FW: There ought to be a law!
Reply-To: "Slipkid" <slipkid@voicenet.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:55:22 -0400
regarding this thorny topic
i am not a lawyer, either civil or criminal (& i am not sure which one
applies), but i believe that as long as you do not SELL anything you tape or
trade for, whether they be from radio broadcasts or crowd/SBD recordings,
you don't violate any actual "laws" per se (assuming that you do not
copy/trade/sell recordings that are OFFICIALLY AVAILABLE like the latest
album by jimmy thudpucker or whatever)
but i could be wrong
and even if your taping/trading of NON-OFFICIAL items DOES violate some
"law" or another, i think that the penalties for such violation would be
related to the financial profits that you made in doing so, and if you did
not financially profit, then you do not enter the realm where it would be
worth anyone's time or trouble to "bring you to justice"
from a "moral" or "common sense" standpoint i see nothing wrong with fans
freely sharing UNOFFICIAL recordings, especially since such sharing is done
by those who are the ones who buy the official product anyways, plus this
actually INCREASES the paying fanbase by exposing the music to a larger
audience who later become fans themselves who then go & buy the OFFICIAL
stuff & go to the concerts themselves; but i DO see something wrong with
people financially PROFITING off such recordings by selling them
maybe the "moral" aspects come into play regardlesss of what the "law" might
be...perhaps the "moral" aspects of this come into play when an entity like
the RIAA decides who it is going to file a lawsuit against (a taper/trader
of a live show as opposed to someone SELLING bootlegs on ebay or someone
downloading officially released songs/product for free off the 'net)
i've never heard of anyone yet being arrested/fined/sued for recording or
trading an unofficial recording, but there are loads of cases of actions
against people who sell them, and of course there are all the widely
publicized RIAA lawsuits against people downloading officially released
"product"
would love to hear more about this from the legal eagles though
- jon -
From: "Slipkid" <slipkid@voicenet.com>
Subject: joe walsh on tour with STP members
Reply-To: "Slipkid" <slipkid@voicenet.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:08:49 -0400
http://www.joewalsh.com/
http://www.stonetemplepilots.com/news_frame.html?name=07272004_1
Robert and Dean To Play Live With Joe Walsh
July 27, 2004
Robert and Dean DeLeo will be making five live appearances with the one and
only, Joe Walsh! Robert and Dean will be playing along side Joe Walsh on his
five solo dates in August. The dates are:
August 8 - Bakersfield, CA - College Outdoor Theater
August 10 - Long Beach, CA - The Vault
August 11 - Pala, CA - Pala Casino
August 13 - Las Vegas, NV - The Joint
August 14 - Lake Tahoe, CA - Caesar's Tahoe (Circus Maximus Showroom)
anyone taping these shows who wants to trade drop me a line (please)
i'd love to hear what joe can do with these guys backing him up!
- jon -
From: "Kenneth Dudzik" <kdudzik@dietrichdesigngroup.com>
Subject: Leo Kottke Tape Policy?
Reply-To: <kdudzik@dietrichdesigngroup.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:24:07 -0500
Hi,
Does anyone know if Leo Kottke allows taping? I have quite a few audience
and SBD shows so I'm assuming he allows sbd hookup's. Any help would be
greatly appreciated, Thank you,
Ken
From: Benjamin Cho <dpa4022@yahoo.com>
Subject: BT: Praxis 6/11/04 bonnaroo dpa 4022
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:48:57 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi all-
sorry is this is off topic, but thought some of you
might like this show.
Take care!
Praxis
6-11-04 (late night, actually early morning 6-12)
Bonnaroo, This Tent
Manchester, TN
Source:
FOB/left of center ~4-5ft
DPA4022(~70 deg, pointed at stacks, 12") w/ DUA0020
windscreens)>
Lunatec V3 (24/44.1, SPDIF out)>
USBPre(SPDIF in)>
Sony C1VN
taped and transferred by Ben C, Fighting Illini FOB
Team
Transfer for CDR:
Waves L2 dither level 1 ultra
Track in CDWAV V1.9beta
No setlist.
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