DAT-heads Digest #276
Contents:
re: Metal for Metal ("Gary Davis")
Re: DAT-heads Digest #275- Equipment or Location? (acffh)
ISO: Milwaukee taper for Joe Satriani (Jeff Shirkey)
re: Fleet Center (Boston) question ("Mark McKay")
re: Equipment or Location? (Nick Georges)
R1 ("Saint Steven")
Re: Equipment or Location? (michael)
Gov't Mule broadcast (John Bernhard)
RE: Equipment or Location? (Bill Shaw)
PJ ("kount yansurak")
fs: full schoeps rig ("Tierney, James")
Re: More Edirol R1 News. (willard robinson)
From: "Gary Davis" <g@hoxnet.com>
Subject: re: Metal for Metal
Reply-to: g@hoxnet.com
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:06:07 -0700
For Metallica, I'm sure they will use metal detectors.
But Metallica allows taping.
You might look on their website for details on the rules.
--Gary
From: acffh <morst@tds.net>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #275- Equipment or Location?
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:17:23 -0500
nothing like a slamming stealth rig right in the sweet spot, but there
is also nothing like a killer analog reel-to-reel in a studio.
It is amazing, the sound that modern small-diaphragm condenser mics can
transmit to a pocket-size digital recorder, but you do what you can.
I personally prefer cardioid condensers dead center in the 8-12th row
at most shows, unless the stacks are spread very wide (move farther
back) or narrow (move closer or fly a stand up near the ceiling for
tiny places)
I know you wanna know which, but of course the answer is the best
possible rig in the best possible spot, and if you have to compromise,
a rig that can handle the SPL of a rocking speaker stack is often
needed. .that and a good set of earplugz! If you can get the right
tickets though, there is nothing like KNOWING you made the best tape
you could make on a given night.
-t
On Oct 21, 2004, at 9:50 PM, Digestifier wrote:
> From: Matthew Thayer <mattt317@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Equipment or Location?
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:50:54 -0700 (PDT)
>
> I was just wondering, any thought?
> Which tape sounds better:
> 1. A tape from a tricked out rig that needs to be set
> up in the back of the room or..
> 2. A portable rig up next to the speaker stack
> After years of recording, i think number 2 is my choice.... all else
> remaiming constant.
>
> My personal favorite is in direct line of the stack that funnell's the
> sound in my direction....
>
> anyone else???? .... since you all seem to have opinions bout
> everything....
From: Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: ISO: Milwaukee taper for Joe Satriani
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:25:50 -0500
The dates getting real close, so I've got to post this one again.
Please email me if you're interested.
=========
I have a ticket for the Joe Satriani show on Tuesday, 10/26 in
Milwaukee at the Pabst Theater. Because of other commitments, it
doesn't look like I'll be able to attend.
I'm looking to give the ticket to another taper in exchange for a
copy of the show. Nice seat...first row mezzanine balcony.
If you are interested, please contact me off list: jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu
Thanks,
Jeff
From: "Mark McKay" <mkm@cox.net>
Subject: re: Fleet Center (Boston) question
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:49:30 -0400
>Hello
>I will be seeing Metallica/Godsmack @ the Fleet Center in boston this
>sunday. I have never been to the fleet and was wondering if anyone knew
>if they
>used metal detectors.
>Thanks!
>-Brian
They weren't doing anything but the usual pat-down at the Pearl Jam show on
9/29.
From: Nick Georges <nick@nickspicks.com>
Subject: re: Equipment or Location?
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:37:15 -0400
>I was just wondering, any thought?
>
>Which tape sounds better:
>
>1. A tape from a tricked out rig that needs to be set
>up in the back of the room or..
>
>2. A portable rig up next to the speaker stack
thats a rough call. Its never that simple.
location recording is all about ........you guessed it, location. So
that is of course the biggest factor.
but there are other things to consider, like room acoustics, crowd
noise...etc.
sometimes the up front sound is not as good as it is in another spot in
the venue.
sometimes the crowd is quiet...sometimes not. Usually not these days as
most people pay $50 to go out and talk about their work week instead of
listening to music...but I digress.
I'm not a big fan of stack taping. I"m a big fan of being between the
stacks and setting up mics in any of the standard stereo techniques
(with a tricked out rig). You learn by experience which method to use
in any given situation as some stereo patterns work better than others
depending on the other factors (room..etc).
On the other hand...so many PAs are run in MONO, that it doesn't' really
matter where you mics are between the stacks.
From: "Saint Steven" <teasinthatbooboo@hotmail.com>
Subject: R1
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:46:43 -0400
"Record jam sessions, or just sit down and mess around
until you find something you like...want to hear it again? Stop recording,
play it back... "
******************
Man, that Edirol R1 sounds real fancy - you can not only RECORD stuff, but
you can STOP RECORDING, and (here's the very best part) PLAY IT BACK!!!!
What will they think of next?!?
: ^ )
From: michael <mcmiller@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Equipment or Location?
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:51:02 -0400
On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 22:50, Matthew Thayer wrote:
> Which tape sounds better:
>
> 1. A tape from a tricked out rig that needs to be set
> up in the back of the room or..
>
> 2. A portable rig up next to the speaker stack
>
> Matt
My opinion is that quality will be a factor of both position and gear.
I've heard it said that <insert name of any panasonic capsule based
stealth mic here> can make better tapes in the sweet spot than a more
expensive rig in the section. I disagree in 90% of the cases, based on
the recordings I have heard. If one is going to the effort to get into
the sweet spot, use the better gear and get a better tape.
If your concerned about size and manageability, a V3+deck (NJ3 or DAT)
and schoeps, DPAs, or neumanns with actives will fit in a small lumbar
bag and you can run them upfront just as easy as in the section and get
stellar tapes. All other things being equal, use the best gear you have
available.
You and I have opposite tastes. I think that stack tapes can sound
bland compared to tapes with some of the room and a little audience in
them. I like the fullness of the room sound.
From: John Bernhard <jbernhard@wbmd.org>
Subject: Gov't Mule broadcast
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:21:53 -0400
For those in the Boston area, WZLX ( 100.7 ) will be broadcasting last
weeks
Mule show from the Orpheum ( 10-15-04 ) this Sunday evening at 11 pm.
Both sets will be aired and there is a ABB special from 10-11 culled
from their Beacon release
that proceeds the concert.
From: Bill Shaw <Bill.Shaw@hds.com>
Subject: RE: Equipment or Location?
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:04:00 -0700
Location definitely trumps equipment in the situation described below. I'd
much rather be close to the PA with an average rig than far away with a
great rig.
I would argue, however, that centering yourself in the room or venue such
that you get an equal amount of sound from left and right PA stacks produces
a superior recording to one that is made primarily from one stack. And yes,
even if it's a mono mix. When you're in the center of the soundstage (is
that the right term?), or basically the "sweet spot" I think you'll get a
much fuller and richer sounding recording than if you are off to the side,
getting mostly one stack.
Have fun!
> From: Matthew Thayer <mattt317@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Equipment or Location?
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:50:54 -0700 (PDT)
>
> I was just wondering, any thought?
>
> Which tape sounds better:
>
> 1. A tape from a tricked out rig that needs to be set
> up in the back of the room or..
>
> 2. A portable rig up next to the speaker stack
>
> After years of recording, i think number 2 is my
> choice.... all else remaiming constant.
>
> My personal favorite is in direct line of the stack
> that funnell's the sound in my direction....
>
> anyone else???? .... since you all seem to have
> opinions bout everything....
From: "kount yansurak" <thekount@hotmail.com>
Subject: PJ
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:06:59 +0000
Hello,
Anyone have PJ Harvey from last night at the Warfield in SF? OR will you be
recording tonight?
Thank You, Ky
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From: "Tierney, James" <James_Tierney@brown.edu>
Subject: fs: full schoeps rig
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:22:09 -0400
I haven't really done any recording in many months, and with medical =
school fast approaching I realize I will not have time for taping for =
many years (and I could really use the money). As a result, I'm selling =
off my schoeps rig. I've had outstanding usage doing stealth (lots of =
jazz, Radiohead, fob stuff) as well as open taping (trey, dmb, mmw, the =
dead, the slip). All gear is in outstanding shape (except as noted), in =
a non-smoking environment and rarely taken out of its case.
I'd be willing to knock off some of the price if you can paypal within =
the next two days or if you can meet me in southern New England in the =
next two days. Also, let me know if you're interested in the whole =
setup, I'll knock some of the price off.
2x Schoeps ccm4 (mk4 cap with hardwired active cables terminating in =
XLR; several SN apart, with hardwood cases and windscreens) $2000 firm
Schoeps ORTF bar, free with the ccm4s
2x 15' audio magic x-stream xlr $100
Sound Devices mp-2 preamp $400
Tascam DA-p1 $500 o.b.o. (includes AC adapter; note: the headphone jack =
just recently distorting, it might need a new amp?? also, scratched from =
usage, internal battery does not hold charge--see 6v battery system =
below)
I'll throw in 20 or more (have to see how many I have at home) blank =
Maxell and Sony DATs (90 and 60m) if you buy the dap1
Bogen Avenger 8' stand $50
14' stand I have at home, i think manfrotto maybe? $50
2x Audio Technica AT8410a shocks $50
Shure a27m vertical t-bar $50
Oade passive 7pin cable (USED ONCE) $100
Homemade 6v battery system (2 batteries + charger) $75 or free if you =
buy the p1
I'm keeping a d8 and a digital soundcard that I will be using for =
digital transfers until I get this backlog of my old masters up and =
FLAC'd, but will be selling those eventually, too.=20
Thanks, and my apologies for the cross-posting,
James
From: willard robinson <willr@venus.star.net>
Subject: Re: More Edirol R1 News.
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:34:51 -0400
>I have some updates on the R1. It will do 2gb cards and probably
>larger-they just have not won the lottery to buy a 4gb card to try.
This is really a make or break to me - WTF - 4G flash cards are $299 - just
check pricewatch and ebay!
tc
Will
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