DAT-heads Digest #290, Volume #7 Fri, 5 Nov 04 21:50:01 EST Contents: Iriver H120 versus Creative Nomad 3 versus?? (Jerry Chamkis) Guided By Voices (Christian Spiess) Re: Iriver H120 versus Creative Nomad 3 versus?? ("Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.") VELVET REVOLVER FM broadcast (John Bernhard) ISO Mindy Smith (John Bernhard) Ultra Longshot ISO: Yum Yum (Butterking@aol.com) Velvet Revolver (tom groff) ISO - Sean Cullen ("Clint") Microboards QD2 ("DRider") Once Jam Band Friendly Venue Not So Friendly Anymore (Richard) Forgot BWT for Mogllon Post! (Richard) Last correction to "Not-So-Friendly-Venue" (Richard) Claptons Cross roads fest on 11/6-7 (casey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Chamkis Subject: Iriver H120 versus Creative Nomad 3 versus?? Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 23:12:46 -0600 > From: "Sharon Tunes" > Subject: Iriver H120 versus Creative Nomad 3 versus?? > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 01:47:47 -0600 > > > Any suggestions on this choice? I am thinking of switching from DAT if the > fidelity if good. I see the Nomad has S/N of 98 versus IRiver's 90 but on > the other hand Nomad is twice as big and some complain about durability. > any suggestions on what to get for use with CoreSounds Cardiods stealth. > Checked the web but if there is an especially good web site i might have > missed, i'd appreciate knowing about that also. I'm not familiar with the others but I can tell you iRiver is -very- conservative with their specs. My iHP-120 does a clean and solid 16 bits (96 dB). BTW- the FM tuner (for which they claim 50 dB SNR) does >70 dB- every bit as good as my rack-mount Crown FM-2. Notice also that Nomad claims 98 which is not actually possible in a 16 bit converter without noise reduction. (All these portables pretty much use the same chip-set but there are considerable differences in the quality of the implementation.) The iRiver rating is conservative and the Nomad exaggerated. That should tell you something. :-) HTH -- Jerry Chamkis jchamkis@bga.com Non-locality is spooky action at -zero- distance. www.teslaphone.com/OTE/TIME.mp3 ------------------------------ From: Christian Spiess Subject: Guided By Voices Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:52:13 -0800 Hey, has anyone taped GBV on their current (final) tour? Last year, board feeds were all cool, just wondering whether that's different now. Thanks, Christian ------------------------------ From: "Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr." Subject: Re: Iriver H120 versus Creative Nomad 3 versus?? Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 01:23:48 -0600 Jerry Chamkis wrote: >>From: "Sharon Tunes" >>Subject: Iriver H120 versus Creative Nomad 3 versus?? >>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 01:47:47 -0600 >> >> >>Any suggestions on this choice? I am thinking of switching from DAT if the >>fidelity if good. I see the Nomad has S/N of 98 versus IRiver's 90 but on >>the other hand Nomad is twice as big and some complain about durability. >>any suggestions on what to get for use with CoreSounds Cardiods stealth. >>Checked the web but if there is an especially good web site i might have >>missed, i'd appreciate knowing about that also. > > > I'm not familiar with the others but I can tell you iRiver is -very- > conservative with their specs. My iHP-120 does a clean and solid 16 bits > (96 dB). BTW- the FM tuner (for which they claim 50 dB SNR) does >70 dB- > every bit as good as my rack-mount Crown FM-2. > > Notice also that Nomad claims 98 which is not actually possible in a 16 bit > converter without noise reduction. (All these portables pretty much use the > same chip-set but there are considerable differences in the quality of the > implementation.) The iRiver rating is conservative and the Nomad > exaggerated. That should tell you something. :-) > > HTH There are other issues to consider. Iriver's specs on the H120 say that it will only record a file up to 74 minutes. After that is goes into "record standby" mode and must be manually restarted. This would result in a minimum of a few seconds loss (déjà vu re cassette flips) when recording the vast majority of "jam bands." I'm curious as to what Creative has been doing with the Jukebox lately. Where the hell is Jamie these days? There is no reason* why we, as tapers don't have a decent high-quality compact recorder. Just look at DDS v. DAT: a modern DDS-4 tape using essentially the same hardware and cassette as a Sony PCM-M1 can store upwards of 20 gigabytes of raw data. A decent 24/96 A/D converter would not consume anymore power than then the current 16/48 A/D converter in the M1. Sony could roll these hypothetical recorders off the assembly line in a few months if they wanted to*. With almost real-time access to popular live shows these days, the average DatHead taper really doesn't stand a chance. Let's hope somebody will offer a decent, affordable, solution for us holdouts sometime in the near future. For now, DAT still seems to occupy this niche. * We tapers are really not much more than a small blip--significantly below the noise threshold--on the pro-audio radar. -- Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr. wayne@hoxnet.com PGP Key ID 138BCEE1 ------------------------------ From: John Bernhard Subject: VELVET REVOLVER FM broadcast Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:43:50 -0500 WBCN Boston is running VELVET REVOLVER from Avalon May 29 2004 without commercials Tuesday night at 7pm according to their website. This is the same night they play the newly renamed DCU Center in Worcester Mass ( formerly Centrum ). Just a heads up to any interested peoples as these broadcasts are usually poorly promoted. ------------------------------ From: John Bernhard Subject: ISO Mindy Smith Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:48:55 -0500 Recently been smitten by this woman's music and am looking for other live recordings. Anyone have any shows from her House of Blues headlining tour? Saw her in Boston and she was amazing. I have a cache of stuff and would love to get some more so if you can help out, let's trade. thanks John BWT Mindy Smith Telluride June 20 2004 Telluride Colorado FM to the first 2 to e mail me ( I will only reply to the winners ) ------------------------------ From: Butterking@aol.com Subject: Ultra Longshot ISO: Yum Yum Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:14:03 -0500 A stab to see if anyone ever recorded the Chicago-based band Yum Yum. In England they released music under the name of the band's leader, Chris Holmes. Gigs were circa 1993-95. Some new demos floated around in 2001-02. Lush pop stuff. Have 2004 recordings of Sam Phillips, Rachael Yamagata, John Legend, R.E.M., Patti Smith, Brian Wilson, G. Parsons tribute and more. Butterking ------------------------------ From: tom groff Subject: Velvet Revolver Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:39:42 -0800 (PST) Recently taped Velvet Revolver in Phoenix 10-23-04. If anyone wants to do a trade , email me looking to trade dats only Tom __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Clint" Subject: ISO - Sean Cullen Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:53:04 -0800 If you are out there Sean or someone has your email address, please contact me. Thanks Clint clint@distortiononline.com ------------------------------ From: "DRider" Subject: Microboards QD2 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:35:07 -0500 Hey Now I am thinking about getting a Microboards QD2........ I have a friend that got one a couple years ago and has had to send it back for software and hardware upgrades because of some troubles he was having..... Does anyone know if these upgrades have been made to the new units? Are there still problems w/ this unit or have all the kinks been worked out?? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated! Peace, D-R ------------------------------ From: Richard Subject: Once Jam Band Friendly Venue Not So Friendly Anymore Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:33:44 -0800 (PST) Namaste Y'all, What was once a formative stop in Arizona for young-lions to cut their teeth at has revealed it's true nature. The owner of Flagstaff's Mogollon Brewery has revealed his in-the-past thinly veiled hatred of "longhairs, gays and indians" in the last sentence of a recent [10.31.2004] Arizona Daily Sun article. Past bands to play Mogollon: Sound Tribe Sector 9, Jerry Joseph, The Jackmormons, Umphrey's McGee, The Motet, Michelle Shocked, Skerik's STSeptet, Benevento/Russo Duo, The Clumsy Lovers, Om Trio, Tony Furtado, Hairy Apes BMX, New Monsoon, Eric McFadden Trio, Shanti Groove, The Recipe and many others....Spread the Word and these links to the article: http://www.azdailysun.com/non_sec/nav_includes/story.cfm?storyID=97083 or http://tinyurl.com/52m5o ===== GREENHOUSE PRODUCTIONS Richard Alun Davis 906 North Beaver St. Flagstaff, AZ 86001 (928) 774-1992 RAD (928) 527-4288 fax wehideandseek@yahoo.com http://www.greenhouseproductions.net "But we've got a big border in Texas, with Mexico, obviously [pause] and we've got a big border with Canada [pause] Arizona is affected." G.W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jun. 24, 2004 G.W.B.: "So what state is Wales in?" CHURCH: "It’s a separate country next to England." G.W.B.: "Oh, okay." George Bush and Welsh performer Charlotte Church, MSNBC, Oct. 30, 2001 "It was amazing I won. I was running against peace and prosperity and incumbency." G.W. Bush, Gothenberg, Sweden, June 14, 2001 "You know I could run for governor but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that's not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office." G.W. Bush, 1989 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Richard Subject: Forgot BWT for Mogllon Post! Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:35:51 -0800 (PST) BWT Bela Fleck and the Fecktones 11.04.2004 Orpheum Theater, Flagstaff AZ 90m DAT ONLY Row 10, FOB, DFC MG300>V2>M1 I'll take the first three replies for dat only BnP! thanks ===== GREENHOUSE PRODUCTIONS Richard Alun Davis 906 North Beaver St. Flagstaff, AZ 86001 (928) 774-1992 RAD (928) 527-4288 fax wehideandseek@yahoo.com http://www.greenhouseproductions.net "But we've got a big border in Texas, with Mexico, obviously [pause] and we've got a big border with Canada [pause] Arizona is affected." G.W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jun. 24, 2004 G.W.B.: "So what state is Wales in?" CHURCH: "It’s a separate country next to England." G.W.B.: "Oh, okay." George Bush and Welsh performer Charlotte Church, MSNBC, Oct. 30, 2001 "It was amazing I won. I was running against peace and prosperity and incumbency." G.W. Bush, Gothenberg, Sweden, June 14, 2001 "You know I could run for governor but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that's not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office." G.W. Bush, 1989 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Richard Subject: Last correction to "Not-So-Friendly-Venue" Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:12:00 -0800 (PST) Namaste Y'all, so sorry 'bout this run-around as the links aren't working...i bought the story to share, alas no dice! I won't waste bandwidth on the entire story. Here's the damning part: "The partners also have invested heavily in remodeling the bar to accommodate city zoning laws and "to get rid of the dirty hippie image," Williamson said." If you wish to read the entire thing just go to the link http://tinyurl.com/52m5o and log in as me: user: "richard" password: "49623904" Another BWT: Bob Dylan 10.20.02 @ The Joint, Hard Rock Hotel, Las Vegas NV FOB MG300>V2>m1 90m Three DAT only BnP's ===== GREENHOUSE PRODUCTIONS Richard Alun Davis 906 North Beaver St. Flagstaff, AZ 86001 (928) 774-1992 RAD (928) 527-4288 fax wehideandseek@yahoo.com http://www.greenhouseproductions.net "But we've got a big border in Texas, with Mexico, obviously [pause] and we've got a big border with Canada [pause] Arizona is affected." G.W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jun. 24, 2004 G.W.B.: "So what state is Wales in?" CHURCH: "It’s a separate country next to England." G.W.B.: "Oh, okay." George Bush and Welsh performer Charlotte Church, MSNBC, Oct. 30, 2001 "It was amazing I won. I was running against peace and prosperity and incumbency." G.W. Bush, Gothenberg, Sweden, June 14, 2001 "You know I could run for governor but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that's not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office." G.W. Bush, 1989 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: casey Subject: Claptons Cross roads fest on 11/6-7 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:29:34 -0800 (PST) Sirius is rebroadcasting Claptons Crossroads Guitar fest form 6/6-7 2004 on Sirius blues channel 29 1-7pm this saturday and sunday ===== Make Tapes Not war Especially with Bush in office! Casey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! 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