DAT-heads Digest #368, Volume #7 Sat, 22 Jan 05 11:50:01 EST Contents: MPG-->DVD AVI-->DVD ("Daniel Sisler") Re: Edirol R-1 ("Len Moskowitz") Re: DVD help (Charles Quinn) Re: 24 bit mastering (jlizard) 5.1 DTS-Audio-CD vs. 5.1 DVD-A ("john e. bogus") Help: Sirius Radio/Allan Holdsworth (Jeff Shirkey) Re: MPG-->DVD AVI-->DVD ("Intl Farmer") Help: Sirius Radio/Allan Holdsworth (Jeff Shirkey) Portadat-HHB-repairs (ev) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Sisler" Subject: MPG-->DVD AVI-->DVD Reply-To: dansisler@excite.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:34:18 -0500 (EST) DVDSanta is a software well suited for these conversions. there is a trial version (which does run an annoying "DEMO Version" across the top of the screen for the 1st few minutes, or buy it for about $25 afterdawn.com may have some other recs, but I have used DVDSanta with great success. peace, dan _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ From: "Len Moskowitz" Subject: Re: Edirol R-1 Reply-To: "Len Moskowitz" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:53:45 -0500 (EST) We have a comparison of the Edirol R-1 to our PDAudio, Fostex's FR-2 and Marantz's PMD670 on our Web site: http://www.core-sound.com/comparison-pdaudio-pmd-670-fr-2.html We try to keep it updated so comments and corrections are appreciated! Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 ------------------------------ From: Charles Quinn Subject: Re: DVD help Reply-To: Charles Quinn Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:28:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Check out http://www.videohelp.com/ for help and software. ------------------------------ From: jlizard Subject: Re: 24 bit mastering Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:55:54 -0500 i have a few comments but I think the points may fall upon deaf ears. My comments are as follows: DVD-A 5.1 correctly done at 24/96khz MLP encoded is much more definite than any DTS surround 5.1. If I am reading correctly, if you are comparing 16/44 recordings of dts vs dvd-a I think the point is mute. dts audio cd is a lossy compressed format and dvd-a is not. Regardless of the mixdown putting a 16/44 recording to dvd-a is kind of pointless unless its for the sole purpose of putting a one show on one disc. The mix down is completely different than dts. dts has its own enhancers on certain frequencies while straight dvd-a 5.1 does not. But the thing to keep in mind is that dts no matter anyone says is a lossy format. its a mp3 in disguise with some embellishment. I love it for live dvd-videos, but dvd-a at higher bit depths and frequencies, there is no comparison. I have heard recordings where 24/96, or even 24/48 is much more clear and has more open feel than standard 16/44 waves. and all dts audio cd's are a compressed version of that 5.1 surround mix I have not had an issue with gaps on dvd-a. I always use a mlp encoder and create points with complete ease. now its not cd wave but you could put the 24 bit wave in cd wave and get your exact numbers to put into the dvd-a program points. but dvd-a has the ability to incorporate a true 24/96 5.1 surround sound where as dts-audio cd's do not. if you are looking for a good surround sound recording with limited webspace, then dts surround is good, just as mp3 was to wav back in the day. I guess it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. a true digital replica of a higher bit/freq recording, or just a recording to remember the experience? I have the ability to do both and clearly choose dvd-a at 24/96 5.1 surround to 16/44 dts surround. 16/44 dts surround may sound alittle more impressive than 16/44 dvd-a but its comparing apples and oranges (lossy verses loseless) from an archivists point of view. To burn it for the heck of it, is another story. Also mlp encoded files are the compressed versions of the dvd-a 5.1 files. they are .mlp....although the encoders are expensive but work well. but the mlp encoders allow for the 24/96 5.1 to occur, otherwise you are limited to 24/48 5.1 dvd-a which again is good, but not optimal. we bit torrent dvd-v right now, so what's the big deal of torrenting a dvd-a? or an mlp file that can be placed into a dvd-a authoring program? ------------------------------ From: "john e. bogus" Subject: 5.1 DTS-Audio-CD vs. 5.1 DVD-A Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:52:58 -0500 "I have a small but growing legion of fans that also seem to think these are the cat's meow in recreating a concert on the home stereo." They ARE! Although only in analog so far, I've been taping in 4 channel surround sound for about 6 months now, and the results are fantastic! My audience surround recordings actually image the size and shape of the room.....the realism and 'you are there' sound of the recordings is mindblowing.....all we need now is for Len to make his PDAudio device in a 4 channel version, or some other outfit to come up with a *stealthable* multichannel field deck...... "DTS will work for pretty much any Joe Deadhead with a 5.1 setup. Which I must comment is too few of you. Come on in boys, the water is fine! Even many of my friends have yet to go the 5.1 route. A system can be in place for allot less than you think these days. Although the Denon receivers are sweet. With so few 5.1 setups we enter into a smaller minority that have DVD-A capability. Which again I believe is affordable and something to consider. So I'd be doing all the DVD-A authoring for like 12 people" The Pioneer '578 can be had for around $120 at Best Buy and Circuit City, and will play SACD, DVD-A, DVD-V, and regular old redbook CD's (UGH).....fantastic piece of gear with an excellent price / performance ratio.....I think Pioneer has sold more than just 12 of these things.....once you experience the fidelity of SACD and DVD-A, you'll never buy another redbook CD again.....sure makes me glad I never bought a CD player, held onto my vinyl, never bought CD's, and never caved in to all those demanding that I transfer my 48khz DAT masters to CD..... "and then have to arrange for the lame old BnP distribution method. Or even worse...a tree!!! Yikes." So what if DVD-A can't be "SHNed or FLACed and uploaded/downloaded"? Are we all really THAT lazy, or would we rather just *willingly sacrifice having uncompressed high resolution multichannel recordings for nothing more than convenience and speed?* Also, I'm sure that I'm not the only one around here who refuses to bend over and get reamed for the $70 a month that the local cable company wants to charge for internet service when I can pay $12 a month for dial-up access..... "I have again done some serious A/B-ing of the same source DVD-A and DTS-Audio-CD. There is not much, if any, audible difference. Which for the life of me I cannot explain. A 700MB file versus a 2GB file. The DVD-A, with that much more data, should be overwhelmingly better. This is simply not the case. I ask why. Is the encoding and decoding process the DTS incorporates that good?" The most likely explanation is that you're running into the limitations of the source material used....I'll use your own 7/16/76 example to illustrate the point.... "SBD SBD: Master Reel -> Master Dat (44.1k)" If you resample a 44.1 khz recording to 48khz, how on earth can you expect to hear the benefits of 48khz? You're still stuck with the 20khz frequency limitation imposed by the original 44.1 khz sampling rate, instead of the 22 khz that a 48 khz sampling rate can provide.....not to mention that the resampling will degrade the recording quality, if anything.....and even this assumes that the frequency response of the master reels goes up to 20 khz and beyond..... "AUD FOBalcony: MAC > DAT > CD Recorded by Bob Menke using Sony ECM-280 mics > Sony TC-152 from front of balcony" I don't know about those particular mics, but I have a 1974 issue of Radio Electronics magazine that gives Sony's specs for the '152.....the upper limit for the frequency response is given as 11 khz at normal tape bias, 13 khz for metal tape. Again, how on earth do you expect to hear any difference, given the limitations of the fidelity of the source tape? Comparing DTS to DVD-A in this sort of manner is like asking a boxer to fight with his hands tied behind his back. If you want a FAIR and REALISTIC comparison of what DVD-A can do, then start with 48 khz (or good analog soundboard reels known to have frequency response and content above 20 khz.....this will eliminate resampling differences for the DTS portion of the comparison, assuming the same A/D converter is used for the transfers to both 48 and 44.1 khz) source material in the first place! Then, and ONLY then, will you be able to fairly compare DVD-A to DTS, and see if there is any audible degradation of the source..... It was bad enough that virtually everyone in the taping community lowered their standards and started trading everything on CD instead of 48 khz DAT.....now that we have a 48 khz disc-based multichannel format with DVD-A, let's PLEASE not make the same mistake all over again! DTS might be fine for transfers of older analog sources of limited fidelity, but let's take full advantage of 48 khz (or even 96 khz) this time around and actually USE it.....if there's currently no way to FLAC, SHN, upload, or download an uncompressed multichannel 48 khz recording, then why not make or invent one instead of yet again lowering our standards ONLY for the sake of speed and convenience? Dan, the above is not meant to rip on you at all, or otherwise tear down the EXCELLENT work that you've been doing to make and promote the use of surround sound taping.....I hold your work in highest esteem, and think that forward-looking and thinking surround sound tapers such as ourselves will provide the next big leap in the quality of field recordings.....hopefully more of us will soon start taping in surround...... Now, I wonder if Klay also happens to have an R4 on his bench that he can answer some questions about..... Yours Truly, john e. bogus ------------------------------ From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Help: Sirius Radio/Allan Holdsworth Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:38:16 -0600 Can anyone who gets Sirius radio record the Allan Holdsworth in-studio performance for me? It's this Sunday, 1/22. Further details are here: http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/CachedPage&c=ChannelAsset&cid=994446662462 If anyone can grab these, please let me know. Thanks, Jeff ------------------------------ From: "Intl Farmer" Subject: Re: MPG-->DVD AVI-->DVD Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:56:18 -0600 Digestifier wrote on 1/21/2005, 10:50 AM: > I download some *goodies* movies, videos, TV shows and I want to > watch them > on my dvd player.. They are MPGS and AVIS.. I try to convert them, one > time > I made an IMG file then I try to burn them and I get no love.. yer askin alot there, the place 2 start is dvdrhelp.com & doom9.org there isnt enuff space here 2 answer u well enuff 2 actually get a finished dvd outa whatever it is u have because there is all sorts of issues that arise from any given technique/software u may try feel free 2 contact me if u narrow your ? down tho ------------------------------ From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Help: Sirius Radio/Allan Holdsworth Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:41:11 -0600 I made a mistake. The Holdsworth show is tomorrow night, not Sunday. If anyone can help, please let me know. ------------------------------ From: ev Subject: Portadat-HHB-repairs Reply-to: ev Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:20:51 -0500 I sold my PDR-1000 over 3 years ago, but last I knew there were only 2 places to send them for service. One in California whose name I can't recall and one on the east coast which is: http://www.nxtgentech.com/index.html No affiliation... but NXT always did me right. peace, further... e ===== Original Message ===== > From: Kayvon Bahramian > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:06:13 -0800 (PST) > > Does anyone have an opinion on who is the best > Portadat repair person in the country? If not a > specific person, then an authorized repair center you > like? > > We (a small radio documentary orginization) have been > sending ours to ProDigital, with disappointing > results. Any advice would be appreciated. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. 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