DAT-heads Digest #368
Contents:
MPG-->DVD AVI-->DVD ("Daniel Sisler")
Re: Edirol R-1 ("Len Moskowitz")
Re: DVD help (Charles Quinn)
Re: 24 bit mastering (jlizard)
5.1 DTS-Audio-CD vs. 5.1 DVD-A ("john e. bogus")
Help: Sirius Radio/Allan Holdsworth (Jeff Shirkey)
Re: MPG-->DVD AVI-->DVD ("Intl Farmer")
Help: Sirius Radio/Allan Holdsworth (Jeff Shirkey)
Portadat-HHB-repairs (ev)
From: "Daniel Sisler" <dansisler@excite.com>
Subject: MPG-->DVD AVI-->DVD
Reply-To: dansisler@excite.com
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:34:18 -0500 (EST)
DVDSanta is a software well suited for these conversions. there is a trial version (which does run an annoying "DEMO Version" across the top of the screen for the 1st few minutes, or buy it for about $25
afterdawn.com may have some other recs, but I have used DVDSanta with great success.
peace, dan
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From: "Len Moskowitz" <moskowit@core-sound.com>
Subject: Re: Edirol R-1
Reply-To: "Len Moskowitz" <moskowit@core-sound.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:53:45 -0500 (EST)
We have a comparison of the Edirol R-1 to our PDAudio, Fostex's
FR-2 and Marantz's PMD670 on our Web site:
http://www.core-sound.com/comparison-pdaudio-pmd-670-fr-2.html
We try to keep it updated so comments and corrections are appreciated!
Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
moskowit@core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
From: Charles Quinn <cmquinn@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: DVD help
Reply-To: Charles Quinn <cmquinn@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:28:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Check out http://www.videohelp.com/ for help and software.
From: jlizard <jlizard@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: 24 bit mastering
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:55:54 -0500
i have a few comments but I think the points may fall upon deaf ears.
My comments are as follows:
DVD-A 5.1 correctly done at 24/96khz MLP encoded is much more definite
than any DTS surround 5.1.
If I am reading correctly, if you are comparing 16/44 recordings of dts
vs dvd-a I think the point is mute. dts audio cd is a lossy compressed
format and dvd-a is not. Regardless of the mixdown putting a 16/44
recording to dvd-a is kind of pointless unless its for the sole purpose
of putting a one show on one disc. The mix down is completely different
than dts. dts has its own enhancers on certain frequencies while
straight dvd-a 5.1 does not. But the thing to keep in mind is that dts
no matter anyone says is a lossy format. its a mp3 in disguise with
some embellishment. I love it for live dvd-videos, but dvd-a at higher
bit depths and frequencies, there is no comparison.
I have heard recordings where 24/96, or even 24/48 is much more clear
and has more open feel than standard 16/44 waves. and all dts audio
cd's are a compressed version of that 5.1 surround mix
I have not had an issue with gaps on dvd-a. I always use a mlp encoder
and create points with complete ease. now its not cd wave but you could
put the 24 bit wave in cd wave and get your exact numbers to put into
the dvd-a program points.
but dvd-a has the ability to incorporate a true 24/96 5.1 surround
sound where as dts-audio cd's do not.
if you are looking for a good surround sound recording with limited
webspace, then dts surround is good, just as mp3 was to wav back in the
day.
I guess it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. a true digital
replica of a higher bit/freq recording, or just a recording to remember
the experience?
I have the ability to do both and clearly choose dvd-a at 24/96 5.1
surround to 16/44 dts surround. 16/44 dts surround may sound alittle
more impressive than 16/44 dvd-a but its comparing apples and oranges
(lossy verses loseless) from an archivists point of view. To burn it
for the heck of it, is another story.
Also mlp encoded files are the compressed versions of the dvd-a 5.1
files. they are .mlp....although the encoders are expensive but work
well. but the mlp encoders allow for the 24/96 5.1 to occur, otherwise
you are limited to 24/48 5.1 dvd-a which again is good, but not
optimal.
we bit torrent dvd-v right now, so what's the big deal of torrenting a
dvd-a? or an mlp file that can be placed into a dvd-a authoring
program?
From: "john e. bogus" <bogusisme@surfbest.net>
Subject: 5.1 DTS-Audio-CD vs. 5.1 DVD-A
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:52:58 -0500
"I have a small but growing legion of fans that also seem to think these are
the cat's meow in recreating a concert on the home stereo."
They ARE! Although only in analog so far, I've been taping in 4 channel
surround sound for about 6 months now, and the results are fantastic! My
audience surround recordings actually image the size and shape of the
room.....the realism and 'you are there' sound of the recordings is
mindblowing.....all we need now is for Len to make his PDAudio device in a 4
channel version, or some other outfit to come up with a *stealthable*
multichannel field deck......
"DTS will work for pretty much any Joe Deadhead with a 5.1 setup. Which I
must comment is too few of you. Come on in boys, the water is fine! Even
many of my friends have yet to go the 5.1 route. A system can be in place
for allot less than you think these days. Although the Denon receivers are
sweet. With so few 5.1 setups we enter into a smaller minority that have
DVD-A capability. Which again I believe is affordable and something to
consider. So I'd be doing all the DVD-A
authoring for like 12 people"
The Pioneer '578 can be had for around $120 at Best Buy and Circuit City,
and will play SACD, DVD-A, DVD-V, and regular old redbook CD's
(UGH).....fantastic piece of gear with an excellent price / performance
ratio.....I think Pioneer has sold more than just 12 of these
things.....once you experience the fidelity of SACD and DVD-A, you'll never
buy another redbook CD again.....sure makes me glad I never bought a CD
player, held onto my vinyl, never bought CD's, and never caved in to all
those demanding that I transfer my 48khz DAT masters to CD.....
"and then have to arrange for the lame old BnP distribution method. Or even
worse...a tree!!! Yikes."
So what if DVD-A can't be "SHNed or FLACed and uploaded/downloaded"? Are we
all really THAT lazy, or would we rather just *willingly sacrifice having
uncompressed high resolution multichannel recordings for nothing more than
convenience and speed?* Also, I'm sure that I'm not the only one around
here who refuses to bend over and get reamed for the $70 a month that the
local cable company wants to charge for internet service when I can pay $12
a month for dial-up access.....
"I have again done some serious A/B-ing of the same source DVD-A and
DTS-Audio-CD. There is not much, if any, audible difference. Which for the
life of me I cannot explain. A 700MB file versus a 2GB file. The DVD-A,
with that
much more data, should be overwhelmingly better. This is simply not the
case. I ask why. Is the encoding and decoding process the DTS incorporates
that good?"
The most likely explanation is that you're running into the limitations of
the source material used....I'll use your own 7/16/76 example to illustrate
the point....
"SBD
SBD: Master Reel -> Master Dat (44.1k)"
If you resample a 44.1 khz recording to 48khz, how on earth can you expect
to hear the benefits of 48khz? You're still stuck with the 20khz frequency
limitation imposed by the original 44.1 khz sampling rate, instead of the 22
khz that a 48 khz sampling rate can provide.....not to mention that the
resampling will degrade the recording quality, if anything.....and even this
assumes that the frequency response of the master reels goes up to 20 khz
and beyond.....
"AUD
FOBalcony: MAC > DAT > CD
Recorded by Bob Menke using Sony ECM-280 mics >
Sony TC-152 from front of balcony"
I don't know about those particular mics, but I have a 1974 issue of Radio
Electronics magazine that gives Sony's specs for the '152.....the upper
limit for the frequency response is given as 11 khz at normal tape bias, 13
khz for metal tape. Again, how on earth do you expect to hear any
difference, given the limitations of the fidelity of the source tape?
Comparing DTS to DVD-A in this sort of manner is like asking a boxer to
fight with his hands tied behind his back. If you want a FAIR and REALISTIC
comparison of what DVD-A can do, then start with 48 khz (or good analog
soundboard reels known to have frequency response and content above 20
khz.....this will eliminate resampling differences for the DTS portion of
the comparison, assuming the same A/D converter is used for the transfers to
both 48 and 44.1 khz) source material in the first place! Then, and ONLY
then, will you be able to fairly compare DVD-A to DTS, and see if there is
any audible degradation of the source..... It was bad enough that
virtually everyone in the taping community lowered their standards and
started trading everything on CD instead of 48 khz DAT.....now that we have
a 48 khz disc-based multichannel format with DVD-A, let's PLEASE not make
the same mistake all over again! DTS might be fine for transfers of older
analog sources of limited fidelity, but let's take full advantage of 48 khz
(or even 96 khz) this time around and actually USE it.....if there's
currently no way to FLAC, SHN, upload, or download an uncompressed
multichannel 48 khz recording, then why not make or invent one instead of
yet again lowering our standards ONLY for the sake of speed and convenience?
Dan, the above is not meant to rip on you at all, or otherwise tear down the
EXCELLENT work that you've been doing to make and promote the use of
surround sound taping.....I hold your work in highest esteem, and think that
forward-looking and thinking surround sound tapers such as ourselves will
provide the next big leap in the quality of field recordings.....hopefully
more of us will soon start taping in surround......
Now, I wonder if Klay also happens to have an R4 on his bench that he can
answer some questions about.....
Yours Truly,
john e. bogus
From: Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Help: Sirius Radio/Allan Holdsworth
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:38:16 -0600
Can anyone who gets Sirius radio record the Allan Holdsworth
in-studio performance for me? It's this Sunday, 1/22. Further details
are here:
http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/CachedPage&c=ChannelAsset&cid=994446662462
If anyone can grab these, please let me know.
Thanks,
Jeff
From: "Intl Farmer" <intlfarmr@aol.com>
Subject: Re: MPG-->DVD AVI-->DVD
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:56:18 -0600
Digestifier wrote on 1/21/2005, 10:50 AM:
> I download some *goodies* movies, videos, TV shows and I want to
> watch them
> on my dvd player.. They are MPGS and AVIS.. I try to convert them, one
> time
> I made an IMG file then I try to burn them and I get no love..
yer askin alot there, the place 2 start is dvdrhelp.com & doom9.org
there isnt enuff space here 2 answer u well enuff 2 actually get a
finished dvd outa whatever it is u have because there is all sorts of
issues that arise from any given technique/software u may try
feel free 2 contact me if u narrow your ? down tho
From: Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Help: Sirius Radio/Allan Holdsworth
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:41:11 -0600
I made a mistake. The Holdsworth show is tomorrow night, not Sunday.
If anyone can help, please let me know.
From: ev <ericmv17@optonline.net>
Subject: Portadat-HHB-repairs
Reply-to: ev <eric@vandercar.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:20:51 -0500
I sold my PDR-1000 over 3 years ago, but last I knew there were only 2
places to send them for service. One in California whose name I can't recall
and one on the east coast which is:
http://www.nxtgentech.com/index.html
No affiliation... but NXT always did me right.
peace, further...
e
===== Original Message =====
> From: Kayvon Bahramian <thedathead@yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:06:13 -0800 (PST)
>
> Does anyone have an opinion on who is the best
> Portadat repair person in the country? If not a
> specific person, then an authorized repair center you
> like?
>
> We (a small radio documentary orginization) have been
> sending ours to ProDigital, with disappointing
> results. Any advice would be appreciated.
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