DAT-heads Digest #391
Contents:
ISO: Guided by Voices Ft Lauderdale 10-22-02 (dolphin smile)
FS: Zefiro Inbox ("Joe Reed")
Jefferson Airplane Show ("Anelena Poulin")
Re: Boston Orpheum taping... (Nick Georges)
Tom Avallone ("jim sori")
7/16/76 DTS v DVD-A multichannel thoughts ("American-Digital")
DTS v DVD-A ("American-Digital")
BLOC PARTY - Spring tour (Reynaud Jonathan)
32 kHz recording / OKM II r (Reynaud Jonathan)
Taper(s) wanted for Piamenta/Burbridge/Mattison gig 3/16 NYC (ognelson@uchicago.edu)
From: dolphin smile <thedolphinsmile@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISO: Guided by Voices Ft Lauderdale 10-22-02
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 09:24:29 -0800 (PST)
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From: "Joe Reed" <energybuild@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS: Zefiro Inbox
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:26:41 +0000
Hi
I have a Zefiro Inbox (Denecke AD-20) for sale. It’s a nice starter AD that
I used for a few years. It hasn’t seen much action lately so I’d like to
pass it on to someone who would use it. It is in perfect working order but
has some minor blemishes on the case (plus a “Been There…Taped it sticker on
the top). If you would like to see a picture, let me know. Core Sound is
selling these new for about $300 now. I’m looking to get $200 for this one
and I’ll cover the postage.
Thanks
Joe
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From: "Anelena Poulin" <mapabear4u@charter.net>
Subject: Jefferson Airplane Show
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:02:12 -0500
Celebrating the 40th Anniversary of Jefferson
Airplane
and the SanFrancisco Sound
Featuring - Jefferson Starship, Paul Kantner and Marty Balin
Tom Constanten (Actual member of the Grateful Dead!)
David Freiberg (Founding member of Quicksilver Messenger
Service!)
Tim Gorman (Jefferson Starship and touring keyboard player
with The WHO!)
BOTH - Darby Gould (original Jefferson Starship "Next
Generation" vocalist)
and Diana Mangano
Show program something like this -
Tom Constanten opens.....then ELECTRIC Jefferson
Starship..... add Tim Gorman
.....an extended mini-Marty Balin set.....mini Paul Kantner set.....add
David Freiberg.....add Darby Gould.....Jefferson Starship reassembles with
guests.....big, psychedelic Jefferson Airplane finale.....encore includes
"Dark Star" with Tom Constanten. (Running time 3 hours)
DATE: Saturday, Feb. 19, 2005
PLACE: PACC Hall - Harris Street - Webster, Mass.
TIME: Doors at 6:00, Show at 8:00
TICKETS: $50.00 each (for tix call 774-230-4750, purchase tix on line at
www.planetearthrockandroll.com (click- store, then click-
tickets)
Another Ed's Event is a BEAM Enterprise/Ed DeLuca Family
Production
From: Nick Georges <nick@nickspicks.com>
Subject: Re: Boston Orpheum taping...
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:24:40 -0500
Quoted: ************************************************************
>Well.. not high and not messing with you. I found a show I taped there and I >got good sound there. Like I said you have to steer away from the crowds but >the sound came up through the "hole" really nice. For that show the orch and >the balc. both had a crazy scene going on and a horrid sound. The best >sounds I got were from that spot. Maybe every show there is different.. That >was my experience.
****************************************************************************
taping from that whole would be like taping from the mens room...and leaving the door open for some sound to come in.
I guess our opinions of what makes a "nice tape" differ....widely.
As good as the recording you made may have came out right there....
it would have come out better from the Mezzanie or the first 15 rows of Orchestra seating. It helps a lot you have nothing between you and the PA stacks / stage. Its really a simple matter of physics. Direct sound is better than reflected sound, which is what you were taping from the "hole" zone upstairs.
Can I do my Nelson laugh now?
"Haaa Haaaaaa"
From: "jim sori" <nogambling@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tom Avallone
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:16:57 -0600
Tom are you still taping ?
We had some conversations previuosly about taping.
If you are still into it please contact me @nogambling@hotmail.com
Jim
From: "American-Digital" <dan@am-dig.com>
Subject: 7/16/76 DTS v DVD-A multichannel thoughts
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:26:22 -0500
Here is the 2nd review I have received so far on DTS vs. DVDA5.1. Now
I sent 10+ free copies out to folks. Merely asking them to take a
little time and tell me what they think. I am currently taking bets on
the number of folks that don't live up to there end of the bargain. The
over-under is 5. Come on guys, a deal is a deal. (They must forget
that I know who they are.)
Hi Dan,
Sorry it's taken some time for me to complete my observations on your
work - I know how the waiting can grate on you!!
First let me say that the Orpheum '76 shows were my "ultimate" Live
Grateful Dead Experience. I'll have to admit that listening to the
recordings of these shows is always a completely different experience
due to the difference in my "state of mind" in middle age as opposed to
my "anything goes" mid-20s!!! ;o)
I'll have to admit that after several "casual" listenings I was prepared
to say not to bother with the DVD-Audio, because there just wasn't
enough difference to make the extra trouble and expense (not to mention
larger file sizes) worth it. I was wrong!!
I never was able to get the overall level between my JVC digitally
connected DVD player (intended as the A/B DTS source) and the (required)
analog connected Pioneer DVD-A/SACD (intended as the A/B DVD-A source)
to come close enough to do a "real" A/B comparison (i.e. switching
quickly between the two discs in real time to compare). The JVC simple
digital level adjustment was always too loud, giving an unwarranted
''edge" to the DTS. Therefore, I decided to use only the Pioneer unit
so that I was using the same DAC and actually comparing just the sound
of the two different data streams.
I listened to both discs all the way through, making notes while
enjoying my "sweet spot", then listened to each track A/B with my
daughter changing discs for me, while also making notes. Finally, I
went back and listened to particular "Spots" mentioned in my notes to
verify things that I heard.
My basic feeling is that the DTS is absolutely stunning and perfect -
until you compare it closely with the DVD-A!!! At various places on
the DVD-A disc, I had the BEST "you are there in this listening space"
that I've EVER had with a recording!!!!!!! ANY SACD, DVD-A, Vinyl,
Half-speed mastered...ANY recording!! That's quite an accomplishment,
Dan, as much as I've spent on Audiophile recordings over the years!!
Specifically, at the beginning of the Spanish Jam, the band is just kind
of lightly doodling and the crowd is pretty quiet. There is also a
fairly loud Hum coming from Phil's bass (I assume), but the sound of the
room just blooms when individual members of the crowd start yelling
requests. It sounds like the first "recognizable" "Dark Star" request
is coming from about 20 feet in front and to my right. Then there are a
pair of "Dark Stars" about 2 rows behind and 10 feet to my right. Then
someone on my left, fairly close, yells "Box of Rain" loud enough to
bounce off the walls!!!!!! When the band gets louder, you can hear the
cymbals initial sound and the reflection off of the back wall just as
clearly as if you were there!! I had a similar feeling at the beginning
of the Wheel and during the drums.
Overall, the DVD-Audio had a more controlled low end (there was some
splatter on the DTS low end, particularly on Samson) and more "air" in
the sound stage presentation, to me. The vocals were more expansive and
the subtle timbre changes of Jerry's guitar were more evident on the
DVD-A - sometimes the DTS seemed a bit brittle on very loud parts, most
notable in the Samson, Round and Round and Sugar Magnolia.
Again, I must reiterate that these differences were VERY small and VERY
subtle - the DTS sounds GREAT!. I DO believe that the compression
necessary to get 5.1 channels of full bandwidth audio on a 700 MB disc
is probably the reason that the DVD-Audio has a SLIGHTLY more open and
focused sound. Due to the fact that so few of us have invested in
DVD-Audio units and the HUGE size of the DVD-Audio files, not to mention
the greater amount of trouble getting a non-break track change on DVD-A,
I'd probably concentrate on the DTS releases were I you. However, the
crowd that says the compression changes the sound is right!!! :o)
--
Peace & Music,
Jim
From: "American-Digital" <dan@am-dig.com>
Subject: DTS v DVD-A
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:28:55 -0500
Okay, I got another response. 3 out of 10. The over-under of 5 is
still looking good.
Dan..been swamped at work but I have done a series of A-B tests. I
prefer
the DTS! I run 6 Klipschs and the bass response and imagining is far
superior using DTS. Especially when listening in a darkened room with no
other sensory inputs, DTS has a better stereo field in front, a better
clarity on the surrounds and more warmth overall. Frankly, I expected
the
DVD-A 5.1 to sound better due to the lack of any compression scheme and
the
expanded sampling/bit depth, but the DTS ruled on my system. It's been
my
experience that DTS outperforms the other 5.1 schemes on commercial
releases, and I spent a long evening with the one and only Stephen
Barncard
this past fall debating the different formats from an engineering
standpoint. Barncard absolutely favors DTS from a technical point of
view...listen to his DTS mix on Crosby Nash's Another Stoney Evening
re-master! Thanks so much for getting more folks turned on to
multi-channel
audio..anyone who can appreciate subtleties in audio really has a better
experience listening to multi-channel! Thanks again, and sorry to take
so
long to reply, my local school district is trying to close our
neighborhood
schools and I've been running at 15 hr days the past month...Dave
From: Reynaud Jonathan <j_r_cobain@yahoo.fr>
Subject: BLOC PARTY - Spring tour
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:20:06 +0100 (CET)
Hi
I wonder if some of you intend to tape the british
band Bloc Party (not very famous at this moment, but
their 1st EP is already a must.. :p)
Their dates are:
April 17th, 2005 Manchester University
April 15th, 2005 Glasgow Barrowland
April 14th, 2005 London Astoria
April 13th, 2005 London Astoria
April 9th, 2005 Washington, DC Black Cat
April 8th, 2005 New York, NY Bowery Ballroom
April 7th, 2005 New York, NY Bowery Ballroom
April 6th, 2005 Philadelphia, PA First Unitarian
Church
April 5th, 2005 Boston, MA Paradise Rock Club
April 3rd, 2005 Montreal, QUE Cabaret
April 2nd, 2005 Toronto, ONT Lee's Palace
April 1st, 2005 Detroit, MI Magic Stick
March 31st, 2005 Chicago, IL Metro
March 30th, 2005 Minneapolis, MN First Ave
March 27th, 2005 Vancouver, BC Richards On Richard
March 26th, 2005 Seattle, WA Neumos
March 24th, 2005 San Francisco, CA Pop Scene
March 23rd, 2005 San Francisco, CA Bottom of the Hill
March 22nd, 2005 Los Angeles, CA Troubadour
March 21st, 2005 Pomona, CA Glasshouse
March 8th, 2005 Paris Boule Noire
March 7th, 2005 Brussells
March 5th, 2005 Portsmouth Pyramid
March 4th, 2005 London Forum
March 2nd, 2005 Sheffield Leadmill
March 1st, 2005 Edinburgh Liquid Room
February 20th, 2005 New York, NY Roxy
February 16th, 2005 Camden Barfly
If you're willing to tape them (DAT w/ High end mics
if possible) please contact me. Maybe we could set up
a trade (I use D8 + OKM II R)
Thanx
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From: Reynaud Jonathan <j_r_cobain@yahoo.fr>
Subject: 32 kHz recording / OKM II r
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:34:07 +0100 (CET)
Hi,
could someone tell me about the exact effect of
recording with a 32kHz frequency..? I know it's
supposed to be inferior to 44.1kHz and 48kHz of
course, but how would a 32khz rec sound if we compare
it to a 44.1 rec, taped in the same conditions with
same material..?
I've heard it had a slight "bass cut" effect...is that
right?
BTW I would ask OKM II R users if they are satisfied
with all the bass it catches? I think they're often a
little too much present, so I'm looking for some help
to reduce them (I precise that the OKM bass roll-off
is just CRAP)
cheers
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From: ognelson@uchicago.edu
Subject: Taper(s) wanted for Piamenta/Burbridge/Mattison gig 3/16 NYC
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:53:27 -0600
It's the Heavenly Jams Band (this time with Kofi Burbridge instead of
Oteil) at Crash Mansion. I'd like to find someone with a nice rig who's
free that night. We can get you on the guest list, I'm sure, as long as
you promise to send a copy of the show. Someone capable of making a nice
matrix sbd/aud recording would also be appreciated, but I don't think a
straight sbd is desirable, unless we have both and can mix them later.
Email me if you think you'd like to tape this show. It should be an
excellent night of music. The more tapers the better, I think.
http://www.piamenta.com/
http://www.piamenta.com/jpg/crash_poster.jpg
Thanks,
Olaf
PS-If you're unfamiliar with Yosi's music, check out the nine shows
downloadable (lossless versions of every show, and mp3/ogg versions of
most of them) at
http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Piamenta%20Band
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