DAT-heads Digest #393
Contents:
FS: DPA 4060s (Core-Sound High End Binaurals) ("Keith Bear")
RE: Re-use of dat tapes (Clark Guy)
WTB-TRADE for Widespread Chicago Tix (Eric Eckberg)
QOTSA Tapers ("Clint")
re: Great stereo of people in the crowd, or the band? (Nick Georges)
Stereo recordings (Tom McGee)
ISO:Bikini Kill ("Schofield, William")
re: 32khz recording (Aaron Thorne)
Best Row(s) for Sound at Palace of Fine Arts Theater? (Peter)
emphasis ("Mark Lynn")
Edirol UA5 for sale - w/ power mod ("Tony")
ISO Patti Smith 11/1/04 (David Minches)
Looking for KEXP and World Cafe taper (Chris Gacek)
FOR SALE: Sharp MD-MS722 MiniDisc Player/Recorder (Shaun)
FOR SALE: Sharp MD-MS722 MiniDisc Player/Recorder (Shaun)
From: "Keith Bear" <jesusishererun@hotmail.com>
Subject: FS: DPA 4060s (Core-Sound High End Binaurals)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:35:48 -0500
For sale, Core-Sound High End Binaurals, the DPA 4060s High-sensitivity
stealth microphones. Smaller then a pencil eraser.
Included is the Core-Sound switchable bass roll-off battery box, set at
120hz when used with Mic-in on your recorder (can be modd'ed for Line-in),
two switchable grids, and two user manuals.
Used about 30 times to stealth/stand record shows. Great condition. Would
like to get 500+sh/pp or best offer. drop me a line at
jesusishererun@hotmail.com
thanks,
Keith
From: Clark Guy <guy.clark@siemens.com>
Subject: RE: Re-use of dat tapes
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:44:40 -0600
HI, Per!
I've used almost NO new DATs for my last thirteen years of DAT recording of
my orchestral and brass band concerts. I've purchased nearly all my dats
(over a thousand, tapes, I think, over the years) from Cassette House, who
has offered "used once" tapes that had been used to set up computer DAT
backup drives in the factory at a substantial discount over "new" tapes.
(yes, these are DDS tapes, not "audio" tapes)
I've never had a DAT tape fail on me unless I did something stupid to it, so
I'm pretty confident that as long as your used tape played well when last
played, it should record equally as well.
My DAT recorders are two old Sony TCD-D3s and one Tascam DA-30 MkII, should
it matter....
Hope your experience is as good as mine has been!!
Guy Clark
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From: pstoltz1@tiscali.se
Subject: Re-use of dat tapes
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:55:12 +0100
Have a question regarding re-use of a dat tape. I am lucky enough
to live where audio dat tapes cost (if I am lucky enough to find
any in the store here) around 20$ a piece (5-6$ for dds) so
I am wondering if there are big issues with re-using a tape
that has been recorded on once.
Will a tape that has been erased on a degausing machine
perform like a new tape? Interested in opinions. I always
try getting the quality as good as it can get, so
if this is a quality drop or risk of, I won't do it.
Thanks for your help!
-Per
From: Eric Eckberg <shmurg@yahoo.com>
Subject: WTB-TRADE for Widespread Chicago Tix
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 09:52:09 -0800 (PST)
Anyone have extras for the thurs.-Sat. april 7-9 Panic
shows at the Chicago theater. Got shut out on mail
order, presale and public onsale. Where did all the
tix go? There are sooo many on Ebay, broker sites its
sick! Any help would be appreciated, looking for just
a pair.
Thanks,
Eric
shmurg@yahoo.com
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From: "Clint" <clint@distortiononline.com>
Subject: QOTSA Tapers
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:20:57 -0800
I was unable to get tickets for the QOTSA show on 4-18 in LA, was wondering
if anyone is either selling tickets or if they are going and planning on
taping. Thanks in advance.
Clint
From: Nick Georges <nick@nickspicks.com>
Subject: re: Great stereo of people in the crowd, or the band?
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:47:11 -0500
Quoted:***************************
"the sound of the room just blooms when individual members of the
crowd start yelling requests. It sounds like the first "recognizable"
"Dark Star" request is coming from about 20 feet in front and to my
right. Then there are a pair of "Dark Stars" about 2 rows behind
and 10 feet to my right. Then someone on my left, fairly close,
yells "Box of Rain" loud enough to bounce off the walls!!!!!!"
This, I'm afraid, demonstrates one of the primary problems with
recording "stereo" from the audience, regardless of the quality of
the mics, whether using 2 mics of 5 mics, whether recording from
right in front of the soundboard or from inside the bathroom.
Regardless of how good your gear is, the main "stereo" you pick
up will be the crowd, not the band. The second "stereo" thing you
might pick up is the "sound" of the room from that exact spot, but
this "sound" really isn't an attribute of the music being played that
night; it's just how your mics interacted with that exact spot in the
room and the crowd around you; ie, you could create a room sound
just as appropriate and much cleaner in "post-production".
Which is why, I have recently been making most of my recordings
with PZM mics on the stage. Of course, this cannot be done for all
sorts of shows, and works best only if the sound really is coming
from the instruments on the stage, but, these cheap mics can give
you "real stereo" of the band very easily.
end quote:***************************************
I look at this from another poit of view.
What we make are stereo ambient recordings.
That is a stereo picture of what is going on sonicaly around you.
You are recording the room, never the band. The band is in that
room...as is the PA, the crowd..etc, and all the plus'es and minus's
that go with each of these things.
Many of the "stereo" recordings we make are of a P.A. running MONO. So
go figure.
making stereo recordings from on stage is great...and SBD feeds for the
vocals ...hey, you've got it made. But you are multi-tracking and
mixing on the spot into two channels...from several.
Speaking for myself, those opportunities are rare w/the bands I see and
record.
My two channel recordings are in stereo. I hear left info and right
info. And yes, its usualy someone yelling. Sometimes its the placement
of the performers laid out in-between my speakers as they were in front
of the microphones.
That of course, is only if the engineer mixed that way to begin with
(from a PA standpoint), or if you are close enough to the stage to
bypass the PA and pick up the ambient stage sound.
In any case, the stereo recording allows for my brain to paint a mental
picture of how it was. Crowd, PA..room acoustics...and all. And its as
real a stereo recording as anything else.
You sound like you are talking about and striving for a studio,
controlled, processed type of sound in your recordings. And you also
sound like you are getting them. But, try and do what you are doing w/a
band like Govt. Mule. It ain't happenin'
That said...
put me down for some of that 50's jazz.
From: Tom McGee <aos@dayday.org>
Subject: Stereo recordings
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:38:58 -0500
Gary sez:
"When I only used 2 PZMs, you want to put them pretty close
together (12-20 inches) to reduce the "hole in the middle" effect.
But I'm now using 3 PZMs so I can space them farther apart, and
mix the middle mic in the middle."
Boundary mics often fix the problem if you just can't get the sound
you want using other types of mics. The Audio Technica AT-849 is a
stereo version with an XY pattern.
From: "Schofield, William" <WSchofield@banknorth.com>
Subject: ISO:Bikini Kill
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:01:17 -0500
I'm looking for anyone who has Bikini Kill shows on DAT, either Masters or
clones. Thanks!
William J. Schofield, III
Credit Analyst
Risk Management
153 Merrimack Street
Haverhill, MA 01830
From: Aaron Thorne <aaront@mac.com>
Subject: re: 32khz recording
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:12:07 -0800
The easiest way to hear this is to run audio through the mic input with
the dat deck set to monitor the signal (passthrough, whatever) and then
run audio out of that to your stereo (headphone jack, digital,
whatever). you can switch back and forth between LP and SP modes (on
my m1 at least) and
you can hear a difference. On studio recorded stuff the difference is
important. On stealth live recordings in a packed club where the
higher frequencies are largely cut out by people walking by and other
stuff, if those frequencies are even pumped out by the sound system,
the difference is much less noticeable. In addition, if all this
happens when you're waiting on a new shipment of dat tapes to arrive in
the mail, or the paycheck to pay for some, it might be better to bite
the bullet and record twice as much stuff on the blanks you have left.
This has been my situation many times and i have made some of my best
recordings in 32khz LP. I have made some of my worst recordings in
48khz SP. I have made no recordings when I had no tape.
aaron
From: Peter <drchen_2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Best Row(s) for Sound at Palace of Fine Arts Theater?
Reply-To: drchen_2@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:18:13 -0800 (PST)
Hi all Bay Area tapers,
Anyone have any recommendations of what row(s) are
best for sound at the Palace of Fine Arts theater in
San Francisco?
What rows or other pitfalls to avoid?
How tight is security?
BTW, the type of music to be experienced is electric
jazz (Coltrane Ascension 40th).
TIA,
Pete
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From: "Mark Lynn" <lynnzzz@comcast.net>
Subject: emphasis
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:00:34 -0500
I'm looking to transfer a 48 kHz master DAT I taped to CD going Sony
R500 ->M Audio Audiophile 2496 ->Soundforge 7.0(rec/re-sample.)
It's an older tape with emphasis on. Should I worry about getting rid of
the emphasis and if so how?
Also to make it even more complicated the right channel is week and
distorted. There was a power issue with the right channel and it just sounds
like shit. The other channel however sounds great.
I was FOB in the sweet spot and I have not seen another source circulate
from this show. So it's definately worth the trouble. At least for me.
Should I just cut the one channel out and replace it with the other one for
the entire show? The bad channel sounds pretty much like shit and makes the
recording almost un-listenable. Any one hear ever faced a similar problem
and do anything other than just simply replace the bad channel? Thanks.
Mark Lynn
From: "Tony" <adestefanis@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Edirol UA5 for sale - w/ power mod
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:00:04 -0600
I am selling my Edirol UA-5. I modified the power for portable use. I have 2
batteries for the unit with about 3-4 hours per battery. There is also a
battery charger of course, you can use the batteries individually or at the
same time while in the field. I was looking to get 210$ + shipping for the
unit and batteries. It's in perfect condition as I have used it once
portable and a hand full of times at home... that is why I am selling it. I
can send pictures or answer any questions. Thanks.
Tony
From: David Minches <dminches@comcast.net>
Subject: ISO Patti Smith 11/1/04
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:44:12 -0500
Does anyone have a recording of this show from Lupo's in Providence? I
have tons of other stuff to trade.
Thanks.
From: Chris Gacek <gachevsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Looking for KEXP and World Cafe taper
Reply-To: Chris Gacek <gachevsky@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:35:57 -0600
Bright Eyes is doing two FM sessions this week and I'm looking for
someone who might be around in the afternoon in the respective cities
who might be able to capture them. The two shows are:
KEXP Seattle Thursday February 17. 3:30 pm PST
World Cafe Friday February 18. 2:00 pm EST
World Cafe can apparently be heard everywhere except where I
live(Minneapolis). You can check out a list of cities/stations here
http://www.worldcafe.org/station.php
If anyone could capture either of these, I would really appreciate it.
I'll gladly offer up some shows from my list in exchange.
Thanks,
Chris
From: Shaun <ytsejammer2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: FOR SALE: Sharp MD-MS722 MiniDisc Player/Recorder
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:41:53 -0800 (PST)
with:
• Headphones
• Remote
• AC Adapter
• AA extra battery pack
• Rechargeable Lithium Ion battery
• Carrying Case
• Carrying Strap
• RCA Cables
• 15 blank MiniDiscs
( 8 ) eight 74 minute
( 7 ) seven 80 minute (3 are brand new, unopened)
All discs that are open are either recorded on once,
or never at all. They were opened and taken to a show
to record on, but were never used.
This unit has only been used about 10 times or less.
It has been used for concert recordings, and has
produced some fantastic shows. The only reason I am
selling it is so I can put the funds towards getting a
DAT unit.
I really would like to get $150 for it, but will
entertain serious counter offers.
Contact me directly via email if interested.
Thanks.
Shaun
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From: Shaun <ytsejammer2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: FOR SALE: Sharp MD-MS722 MiniDisc Player/Recorder
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:43:16 -0800 (PST)
with:
• Headphones
• Remote
• AC Adapter
• AA extra battery pack
• Rechargeable Lithium Ion battery
• Carrying Case
• Carrying Strap
• RCA Cables
• 15 blank MiniDiscs
( 8 ) eight 74 minute
( 7 ) seven 80 minute (3 are brand new, unopened)
All discs that are open are either recorded on once,
or never at all. They were opened and taken to a show
to record on, but were never used.
This unit has only been used about 10 times or less.
It has been used for concert recordings, and has
produced some fantastic shows. The only reason I am
selling it is so I can put the funds towards getting a
DAT unit.
I really would like to get $150 for it, but will
entertain serious counter offers.
Contact me directly via email if interested.
Thanks.
Shaun
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