DAT-heads Digest #413
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Re: DAT-heads Digest #412 (James Treworgy)
RE: CoolEdit Pro - Cassette > DAT > WAV transfer LEAVE THE BITS ALONE (acffh)
XM radio taper?? ("taperroy")
Mr. Crowes Garden ("Bob S.")
ISO: jb3 (shane b)
FS: V3, Eco Batts, Kwon Bars, 7 Pin, DATS, Shure Screens, D100, (ngregory@nc.rr.com)
ISO:Bob Dylan tonight 03-07-05 (RobElan2E@aol.com)
FS: Tascam DA-20 ("Dennis Rooks")
PBS National/HD tapers? (karatebabies)
ISO PJ Trader... (Christian Rodriguez)
dat tapes up or grabs ("Tim Call")
From: James Treworgy <jamie@trewtech.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #412
Reply-To: James Treworgy <jamie@trewtech.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:17:30 -0500
Hiss reduction can be useful if done properly. Cool Edit Pro (now
adobe audition) has very good functionality for doing this. But beware
that you don't make the problem worse, as there can be audible
artifacts as a result. If you can hear _anything_ unnatural after
doing the noise reduction, then my feeling is it's not worth it. And,
no matter what, I would keep an un-processed copy of the tape for
archival -- since in the future as technology improves you'll surely
be able to do a better job.
My experience has been the best results come from using a moderate
amount of hiss reduction (usually the hiss reduction function is
better than the general "noise removal" function for analog tape hiss)
can improve things somewhat without audible artifacts.
But, just as many times, I'll listen to the before & after and
conclude that the benenfit is pretty minor and not worth the
"compromising" of the source.
It really depends on the source and how bad it is. If it's a master analog,
the hiss is probably not bad at all - I'd leave it alone.
From: acffh <morst@tds.net>
Subject: RE: CoolEdit Pro - Cassette > DAT > WAV transfer LEAVE THE BITS ALONE
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:32:31 -0600
Leave the bits alone.
If you are working at 16 bits, and want to do processing, the result
will be less than 16 bits of accurate musical data. In other words,
unless you are going in at a higher resoution, and processing at the
high res mode, you will be losing audio.
Let's look at it another way. Yesterday I attempted to use the Noise
Reduction feature on Audacity to remove some tape hiss from a cassette
mastered to DAT (Same exact thing you are discussing). I made 4
different noise-reduced versions, and gave a listening test to see
which one I would pick. I kept the unprocessed one and here is why-
When I played them back, I thought that the lightest use of the NR
filter was acceptable, but I realized that if I just leave all 16 bits
intact, then ANYONE could do the "fix" from the "original source" so
why not let others have a shot at it. Now, if I had mastered the
cassette at 24 bits, and wanted to process it down, and distribute the
best 16. . . then the NR could be worth trying. .. but to use NR on a
16-bit source to make a 16-bit source with LESS ACCURACY (truth) is not
something I plan to spend my time doing.
Other thoughts are welcome, but as I see it, using digital NR at 16
bits on a 16-bit source is like EQ'ing a cassette copy and throwing
away the master. Yeah, it might sound better than the master now, but
is it REALLY the ULTIMATE fix???
-t
On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:50 AM, Digestifier wrote:
>
> From: "Vernon Webb" <vernon@cwnj.com>
> Subject: CoolEdit Pro - Cassette > DAT > WAV transfer
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:47:05 -0500
>
> OK, so now I have successfully transferred a DAT to the PC. The DAT is
> actually a copy
> of a master cassette recording of a show that a friend recorded. I
> have transferred it
> to DAT VIA the normal processes. However, if you turn the sound up,
> naturally you heat
> tape hiss. CoolEdit Pro has a setting that is called "Noise Reduction"
> and another
> called "Hiss Reduction". More than likely I know what the answer to
> this is, but I
> figured let me check anyway: should I use either of these options? I
> would think that
> the "Hiss Reduction" would be a good option, however I know that many
> people are
> always crying to leave the show as close to original as possible. What
> are your
> thoughts?
>
> Vern
From: "taperroy" <taperroy@powerlynk.com>
Subject: XM radio taper??
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:27:56 -0600
hi there....
looking for a taper with xm radio access to record a live show for me on
3-16-05 its a gaelic storm concert that will be broadcast. (not sure if
its a live show, or a previously played live recording)
i can take the show on any format, mini-disc, dat, cdr or vhs hifi. no
tape list here, but been dat since 1994.(and i record every show i go to)
any helpor leads gratefully appreciated~~~
taperroy
union grove, wi
From: "Bob S." <onalimb@hotmail.com>
Subject: Mr. Crowes Garden
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:31:05 -0500
did anyone here go to the mr crowes garden show in NYC the other day? im
wondering if they let stands in.
the black crowes used to allow open taping and maybe they will for this
reunion tour. i have tickets for one of the mr crowes garden warmup gigs and
am wondering if i need to wear a hat...
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From: shane b <dronelistee@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: ISO: jb3
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:16:01 -0800 (PST)
anyone have a lead a cheap jb3
the cheapest i've seen is 440$ USD
thanks
p.s am i going to need a pre-amp to power my coresound
binuals mics w/ bass rolloff filter? please say no.
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From: ngregory@nc.rr.com
Subject: FS: V3, Eco Batts, Kwon Bars, 7 Pin, DATS, Shure Screens, D100,
Reply-to: ngregory@nc.rr.com
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:31:56 -0500
OK, got some stuff for sale pictures posted on taperssection.com
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=37304.0
V3 - Serial Number - V3005- no optimod - Including 2 6 Volt cables (1 Leegeddy right angle, and 1 original modified so it can be bent on the housing). Also including an AC adapter that was made for the V3, so you can power it off house power if you have it available. I bought it from George Wang, believe it had one owner before that. $1125 shipped
6 Volt Ecocharges (BP 50s I believe are the name?) - each comes with zippered pouch and charger - $40 shipped for each
Kwon Bars - Bought these because I thought that the MG JK setup may work in them, turns out they dont. Have a Schoeps NOS, DIN an DINA bar - $50 each shipped
DATS - the following:
2 boxes of Maxell 90s in the wrapper - $20 a box shipped
1 box of Maxell 60s in the wrapper - $20 a box shipped
1 box of Cassette House MasterDAT - 124M in the wrapper - $20 a box shipped
6 Quantegy 124M in the wrapper and 7 in the wrapper Maxell 90s in the wrapper - $25 shipped
Sony Manufactured 7 pin input cable (orange end) - $70 shipped
Shure A81WS Screens - $60 shipped
D100 DAT w/ remote (not planning on breaking up the remote from the DAT) - Dont know the hours exactly, bought it in 2000, done probably 100 shows with it since then. Had it serviced by Prodigital last spring, works great, heads look great. Includes a Legeddy 6 V power cable and pleather case - $425 shipped
Maha Powerbank - more detals here (http://www.thomas-distributing.com/maha-powerbank.htm). I used it to power my D100, I know that George uses it for his SBM at times without problem. - $35 shipped
Sonicase deluxe (4 shelf version) with accessory pouch (not breaking this up either at this time) - $125 shipped
AKG Tbar - $15 shipped
Questions let me know...I would prefer to go with money order/checks to avoid paypal fees, but that is open for negotiation (dont want to make anyone uneasy in dealing with me). Also, I will have some other things that local folks had "dibs" on so to speak, if they end up declining there will be more available soon.
Nick
ngregory@taperssection.com
From: RobElan2E@aol.com
Subject: ISO:Bob Dylan tonight 03-07-05
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 19:09:12 -0500
Anyone taping the first Dylan show tonight? My friend Donnie Herron has recently joined the band and his wife would love to get a copy of the show for him. Also if anyone plans on taping any of the future shows they'd love to get a few.
Thanks,
Rob
www.phishhook.com/lists/robwhart
From: "Dennis Rooks" <den@teleport.com>
Subject: FS: Tascam DA-20
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:04:56 -0800
Original owner, well cared for and light usage. Flawless performance.
Includes everything: remote, manual and factory double shipping carton.
$225 or best offer.
Dennis
From: karatebabies <karatebabies@yahoo.com>
Subject: PBS National/HD tapers?
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:38:57 -0800 (PST)
Hi,
I'm looking for someone who can receive the PBS
National feed on their satellite system or PBS HD and
who can record to DVD. I'm after the "Live from
Lincoln Center: Passion" broadcast on March 31.
Please let me know if you can help! Lots to trade!
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From: Christian Rodriguez <christianandresrodriguez@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: ISO PJ Trader...
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 05:05:49 -0800 (PST)
Im looking for and old PJ trader. I dont know if he´s
still trading and all I know is that back in 1999 and
2000 his emails were:
eddee69@my-deja.com
eddee69@hotmail.com
Hope someone can help me....
Thanks in advance, Christian...
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From: "Tim Call" <sensi_1013@hotmail.com>
Subject: dat tapes up or grabs
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:37:28 -0600
Hey All
....I have finally decided to change recording formats and now have no
use for my collection of over 300 dats! The majority consists of Bob Dylan,
Widespread Panic, Jerry Band and MMW! Some other odds and ends in there as
well! I'd like to get a $1.25 a tape and will break them into lots if
needed. E-mail me for a list if interested and thanks for the space!
tim
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