DAT-heads Digest #422, Volume #7                 Wed, 16 Mar 05 11:50:01 EST

Contents:
  RE: A Marantz in the Hand or an Edirol in the bush? (David & Irma Holtkamp)
  Details on A Marantz in the Hand (Stephen Bezruchka)
  More Marantz PMD 600 (Stephen Bezruchka)
  mercury rev taping (Ed Buckel)
  Sony 957 (Ryan Gear)
  ALPINE 5700 car dat ("Ben Leach")
  used DAT/DDS tapes for sale (Joe Thierry)
  Black Crowes opener - CD offer ("Bob S.")
  Robyn Hitchcock @ SXSW ("J Manniello")

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From: David & Irma Holtkamp <holtkamp@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: A Marantz in the Hand or an Edirol in the bush?
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:10:45 -0700

Thank you Steve for a very detailed and informative message on comparison 
of the Marantz PMD 660 and the Edirol R-1. The info you've shared is very 
helpful. I just want to offer my opinion on a couple of things you mention, 
in the spirit of more details relating to the R-1:

>From: Stephen Bezruchka <sabez@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: A Marantz in the Hand or an Edirol in the bush?
>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:57:31 -0800 (PST)
>
><snip>
>The deficiencies of the R1, to me, include no ALC, no visual calibration
>of recording levels, and too many playback effects, metronome and tuner
>that suggest this unit was designed for a budding musician.

   Although there isn't an ALC in the R-1 in the most general sense, there 
is a limiter that (when enabled) kicks in at -9dB below FS, and it seems to 
compress by a factor of 2 or more. Clipping is still possible at extremely 
high levels, but it takes effort. The attack is very fast and the decay 
slower than I would like (for music recording), and the user cannot set 
these time constants.

   As for visual calibration, there is a single set of "bars" that appear 
(somewhat slow responding but accurate) for the higher of the two channels 
being recorded. The calibration of these bars is available from Edirol and 
I've pasted a bit of paper on the panel to show the levels (from < 50 dBFS 
to 0 dB FS in 16 unequal steps. Not perfect to be sure, but adequate for my 
needs.

   The playback effects are also recording effects as well, but they are 
not used (by me at least).

   One more other small difference - Steve reports that the PMD 660 
requires AC power to download data via the USB port. The R-1 will run on 
either batteries or AC for this function.

   One question I had was the 1 GB CF card - is that a limit in the PMD 
660? Should be compatible with larger cards, but I can't find any info on 
this point.

   Also what I could find indicates that the mic preamp noise floor might 
be around -50dbFS, which may be a factor for some folks to consider for 
different applications.

   Again, thank you Steve for the good info. Having a small unit with 
phantom power and XLR mic inputs is a real treat.

   Best wishes,
   David Holtkamp
   Los Alamos, NM




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From: Stephen Bezruchka <sabez@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Details on A Marantz in the Hand
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:41:33 -0800 (PST)

In Response to David Holtkamp's querries:

The specs in the manual say:  S/N ratio (IEC-A) line 80 dB, Mic 60 dB and 
Dynamic Range 80 dB, with Frequency REsponse 16,000 Hz (-0.5dB) [sic]
Mic insput sensitivity 1.2mVrms/6.5kohms

Don't know where you got the preamp noise floor info (I seached everywhere to 
get details as I could and then wondered if this was the right decision), but I 
think the preamp isn't great. And it isn't the quietest when I used the mic 
attenuator as I noted.  But good enough for me.

The recording time chart has card size to 4GB and I think the unit will take 
anything you put there.  But a limit of 999 tracks.  Also MicroDrives. 
With mono mp3 and 4GB, you are looking at 141 hours (yawn)!

Also it is USB-2.

One other neat feature is a remote control with a peak level indicator, 
record and pause, that is a TRRRS connector.  It is back ordered, and 
~$75.

Stephen

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From: Stephen Bezruchka <sabez@u.washington.edu>
Subject: More Marantz PMD 600
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:09:23 -0800 (PST)

I was wrong about the USB, it is 1.1.  Max file size (per recording) is 
4.3 gB, and it will take the largest CF card out there right now, (8gB).

Stephen

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From: Ed Buckel <buckeled@gmail.com>
Subject: mercury rev taping
Reply-To: Ed Buckel <buckeled@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:51:48 -0500

I'm hoping to tape mercury rev at their upcoming detroit show.  on the
furthernet bandlist i found this info...

http://www.mercuryrev.net/content/Welcome.html - 
A message for anyone interested in making an audio recording of a live
Mercury Rev show: please feel free to do so, what's ours is yours. You
may want to check with the venue beforehand to be sure that they will
allow it. We'll do our best to set aside an area somewhere near the
mixing console for you to set up. Unfortunately, we cannot provide a
direct feed to the console. Eventually, we would like to post some of
these live shows on our site, so if you've got some recordings that
you'd like to share via our website, contact us.

however, that info is from 2 years ago and is no longer on their
website.  I was wondering if this is still true, especially since
they're touring with the doves.

Does anyone have any updated info about this or maybe a contact that i
could email to find out some more info.

thanks
ed

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From: Ryan Gear <ryan@crewcial.org>
Subject: Sony 957
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:58:22 -0500

>
>
>Hi, I've heard some great bootlegs made with the ECM-MS957 and am 
>thinking of buying one.
>
>Does anyone here use it for bootlegging concerts? How do you find it? 
>Is it easy to mount?  My only concern is that it looks a bit to big to 
>stealth tape with....
>Any personal reviews of this microphone would be greatly appreciated. 
>Either through personal email on on DATheads.
>  
>

I have Sony 957 I've had for about 3 years now, which nowadays I just 
use it for stealth purposes since I got my Schoeps Aug. '02.  Used it 
with MD until I picked up a D7 summer '03.  I like it for stealth 
because I can fit it in my pants and it fits right on my shoulder under 
my shirt, and unless someones looking right at me you cant really see 
its there.  Works with any standard mic stand too, and the only setup is 
just to point it in the source of the music. 

          r.


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From: "Ben Leach" <ben@pcspeed.com>
Subject: ALPINE 5700 car dat
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:08:31 -0600


I have one of these cool Alpine car dat players for sale.
I got it off ebay and to the best of my knowledge it has never even been
installed.
Contact me off the list if you are interested.
Need to dig around a bit and see how much I paid for it.
thxs.
ben@pcspeed.com


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From: Joe Thierry <jthierry@erols.com>
Subject: used DAT/DDS tapes for sale
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:16:46 -0500



I have about 40 used DAT and DDS tapes for sale.  I figure these are worth around $1.50 each. I have a combination of Maxell 60M DDS tapes and Sony Audio DAT 125min. I would like to sell all of these to one person but will split into groups of 10.

Most of these are Max Creek recordings from 2002 and 2003.  

Just to be clear though I'm selling used tapes not music!

I'll pay shipping and cover any Paypal fees.

Thanks,
Joe


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From: "Bob S." <onalimb@hotmail.com>
Subject: Black Crowes opener - CD offer
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:35:07 -0500

i think monday night was the first performance of the black crowes fully 
reunited in several years. MK4Vs>SX-M2>SBM1(24bit)>D100 up front and center. 
i had to use the hat because there was no taping allowed and it sounds 
really good.
if your interested in a B&P, let me know.

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From: "J Manniello" <blackcatjim@hotmail.com>
Subject: Robyn Hitchcock @ SXSW
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:53:37 +0000

If anyone can get some or all of these shows it would be greatly appreciated 
as I won't be able to...THANKS!


WE 03/16/05
        Robyn Hitchcock         Emo's
8PM     Austin, TX


TH 03/17/05
        Robyn Hitchcock         Blender Balcony @ The Ritz
10PM    Austin, TX


FR 03/18/05
        Robyn Hitchcock         Cactus Cafe
8PM     Austin, TX


FR 03/18/05
        Robyn Hitchcock         La Zona Rosa
11:30PM         Austin, TX



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