DAT-heads Digest #457
Contents:
dat & pcm > pc? ("fun soul")
Advice on Marantz PMD 660 for non-techy (Clare Andrews)
ISO Tom Petty AUD recordings ("American-Digital")
Garbage taping and trading (wilson king)
Garbage Boston FM Thurs 4/21 (wilson king)
Re: dat taping question (Peter)
Re: DAT-heads Digest #456 (roy dripps)
U2 show length? (Mark Mayhle)
Maxell Japan DVD-R's under 40 cents through Saturday ("Gary Davis")
Boston-area tapers (PLEASE READ) ("William Schofield, III")
From: "fun soul" <funsoul@hotmail.com>
Subject: dat & pcm > pc?
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:58:49 +0000
Hi Folks
What hardware do I need to do digital transfers from DAT and PCM to pc? The
DAT machine is a Sony DTC-59es and the PCM is a Sony PCM-601esd. I know that
the sampling rates are slightly different between the 2 formats so would
appreciate info on how to deal with that issue as well. I also use the pc
for video stuff and gaming so whichever soundcard should be ok for those
uses.
The cards that I've seen so far that appear up to the task are:
- SEK'D Prodif 88- out of the question with a price tag of $659.
- M-Audio Audiophile 2496- about $150 but needs a seperate component (or
maybe just a miniplug adaptor?) to allow use of my pc's speakers.
- Creative Audigy2 Platinum- under $200...I recall reading that anything
that comes in via the digital inputs on the Live! cards is re-sampled by the
card...not sure if that applies to the Audigy2? Also, historically, the
Creative cards have been major bus hogs.
- E-mu 0404- about $100..don't really know anything about this card but it
does seem to have the correct digital inputs that I'm looking for(?). E-mu
also has the 1212m ($200). Read about various driver-related problems wiht
the E-mu's...not sure what kind of effect they'd have on my setup, though.
Any thoughts or recommendations on these or any other cards? Any help would
be appreciated.
tia!
-funsoul
From: Clare Andrews <clare.andrews@new.oxford.ac.uk>
Subject: Advice on Marantz PMD 660 for non-techy
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:50:08 +0100
I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to advise a non-techy?
I’m just a biology PhD student who records the calls of birds in their
nests for my research and I no virtualy nothing about sound tech. I used
to have a PMD680 for this, but that is no longer, and I’m looking to buy
either the PMD 670 or 660 as replacement - obviously with a preference
for the more portable option if it wil do the job - but I've read some
reviews that suggest possible problems of a noisey pre-amp.. I record
mono at 16bit 48kHz to .wav, but am limited to small mic (I use Sony
ECM-T6 Clip-On - specs at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000095SBV/ref=e_de_a_td/104-7219270-7181520?v=glance&s=electronics&vi=tech-data)
I wonder if anyone here would be so kind as to give me their opinion as
to how this would be with the 660, as sadly I don’t know the difference
between condenser, dynamic, lo and hi output mics, tho I’m guessing
something this small and cheap isn’t going to be much good in the 660? I
suspect it would be ok with the 670 as the s/n seemed fine with my old 680.
THANKS!
From: "American-Digital" <dan@am-dig.com>
Subject: ISO Tom Petty AUD recordings
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:52:11 -0400
I am looking for audience (AUD) recordings of the following well
circulated SBD/FM Tom Petty shows.
2-7-97 Fillmore West, SF
4-19-99 Irving Plaza, NY
4-23-99 The Docks, Hamburg
4-19-03 The Vic, IL
Please help me if you can. I have allot I can trade. Looking to make a
DVD-A 5.1 utilizing the SBD in the front channels and the AUD in the
rear. Tom Petty has long been one of my favorite artist's and the
ability to construct a surround sound show has eluded me thus far.
Thanks you in advance for your help. See below for bandwidth tax.
Dan
BWT-
I'll take 2 folks. You must have a DVD-A with surround sound setup.
Pink Floyd
Empire Pool
Wembly, London, UK
November 16, 1974
DVD-Audio (6ch x 16/44) 5.1 Mix
01 [02:08] Speak To Me
02 [03:02] Breathe
03 [05:04] On the Run
04 [06:35] Time
05 [06:48] The Great Gig In The Sky
06 [08:14] Money
07 [07:46] Us And Them
08 [07:42] Any Colour You Like
09 [03:39] Brain Damage
10 [02:05] Eclipse
Encore
11 [23:28] Echoes
TT [76:31]
=========================================================
Source Info
SBD
Pre FM Master Reel (SBD) > DAT > ? > SHN
Recorded by BBC Radio One broadcasted on the Alan Freeman
Show on 11th January 1975. This is taken from the original
pre-broadcast master tapes.
AUD
Unknown AUD Recording > ? > DAT > SHN
This is likely off cassette masters.
=========================================================
Tech Notes
SHNs were decoded to wave and SF 6.0 was used to reassemble
the tracks back to 1 long wave. CEP2.0 was used to align &
synch both of the sources. CEP2.0 used to adjust the volume
for the AUD, center and LFE channels. DiscWelder was used
to author and create the DVD-Audio in 5.1. DVD Decryptor
read and created the ISO image file. This incorporates 6
channels of 16/44 wave files.
- Mixed by dan@am-dig.com
- FLAC conversion 01-APR-2005
- Artwork by dan@am-dig.com 300dpi - For best results
print at the highest resolution onto glossy photo paper.
Design for use with a clear slim single jewel case.
- Special thanks to unknown artist that helped with lots
of the images used in this artwork.
=========================================================
DVD-A Info
Front
Left Channel Pre FM (SBD) Reel
Right Channel Pre FM (SBD) Reel
Center
Mixed to mono -6db SBD+AUD Matrix
Surround
Left Channel -2db Unknown AUD
Right Channel -2db Unknown AUD
Sub/LFE
Mixed to mono -4db Pre FM (SBD) Reel
=========================================================
Notes
The quieter portions AUD recording were quite a bit louder than
The Pre FM (SBD). I reduced the AUD by -2db in the rear channels.
In my experience louder rear channels is an undesirable effect.
d1t01 The line "I've been mad for fucking years" in Speak To Me
was removed from the Pre FM (SBD) source. This was not cut out
as the length of the song was still the same as the AUD. I tried
a number of edits to mix that line from the AUD into the SBD
source. I could not come up with an edit I considered smooth.
I was able to perform the same edit of this line on the AUD
source with a smooth and natural result. So this line has been
removed from both the SBD and the AUD source. This is smooth
and most likely undetectable.
d1t05 The Pre FM (SBD) source was missing 3.875 seconds between
The Great Gig In The Sky and Money. The AUD was the trimmed
accordingly to match. Being at the repetitive portion on the
end of the song, this is smooth and most likely undetectable.
d1t08 The AUD source cuts at 41:07.515 and is missing 1:36.33
of Any Colour You Like. I used the Pre FM (SBD) source mixed
with a repeating crowd cheer portion from the AUD recording to
add depth. I then applied a 1:46.333 patch with 5 second
crossfades on each end. The result is good but as this is a
source change it is still somewhat noticeable.
d1t09 You can get a good feel for the effect of sound travel
during the line "The lunatic is on the grass.". The sound
travel results in a small echo on the AUD source and can be
heard in the rear channels on the 5.1 and the matrix mix.
This is very interesting.
d1t10 The Pre FM (SBD) has a long portion of cheering and
tuning prior to the encore Echoes. Unfortunately this was
missing from the AUD source. The SBD was trimmed to match
and both sources has multiple edits, mixing and crossfades
were performed to keep the flow btwn the last song and the
encore sounding as natural as possible. The result was good
and this is smooth and most likely undetectable.
=========================================================
More On DVD-Audio 5.1
Today's audio standards are moving towards multi-channel
sound, like DTS, Dolby Digital, SACD and DVD-A. You will
need a DVD-A compatible DVD player to listen to this 5.1
mix.
Burning Instructions
Use DVD Decryptor or similar program to burn as an image
file (ISO) onto a DVDR. Enjoy.
From: wilson king <garbagebase@yahoo.com>
Subject: Garbage taping and trading
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:20:46 -0700 (PDT)
Hey DAT heads,
Just putting the call out for recent Garbage recordings (and old ones
too!) as the band is on tour again after 2 1/2 yrs. New album (Bleed
Like Me) sounds great and the live shows have been great too!
I saw them at the Warfield on April 10th and got a pretty sweet tape.
Anybody out there on the fence about seeing them, go for it! And
anybody that wants to trade, get in touch.
Recent setlists are here-> http://www.garbagebase.com
Cheers!
p.s. Garbage tour dates:
19-April-2005 - Hammerstein Ballroom, New York, NY
21-April- 2005 - 9:30 Club, Washington, D.C.
24-April-2005 - Metropolis, Montreal, Quebec
25-April-2005 - Kool Haus, Toronto, Ontario
27-April-2005 - State Theatre, Detroit MI
28-April-2005 - Eagles Ballroom, Milwaukee WI
29-April-2005 - First Avenue, MInneapolis MN
01-May-2005 - Orpheum Theatre, Madison WI
04-May-2005 - Metro, Chicago IL
06-May-2005 - Ryman Auditorium, Nashville, TN
07-May-2005 - Madison Theatre, Cincinatti OH
09-May-2005 - Newport Music Hall, Columbus OH
10-May-2005 - Agora Theatre, Cleveland OH
14-May-2005 - HFStival, M&T Stadium, Baltimore MD
15-May-2005 - FEZtival 2005, Philadelphia PA
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From: wilson king <garbagebase@yahoo.com>
Subject: Garbage Boston FM Thurs 4/21
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:10:03 -0700 (PDT)
Anyone in the Boston area that could tape off the
radio? WBCN 104.1 FM is replaying the Garbage concert
from Sunday in its entirity commercial free on
Thursday 4/21 at Noon.
Someone please tape this! Lots of Garbage and other to offer in
trades.
Wilson
http://www.garbagebase.com
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From: Peter <drchen_2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: dat taping question
Reply-To: drchen_2@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:43:50 -0700 (PDT)
I stealth-taped by brother's wedding, a catholic
ceremony, and it was funny when I went up to receive
Holy Communion. As he did with all communion
recipients, the priest said something like " body of
Christ"; he was waiting for a standard response ( I
forget what that was at this moment) but I didn't want
to talk over my tape. He held back the communion
wafer from me until I responded. The slight delay felt
like forever. Awkward moment. He could clearly see the
relatively large Sonic DSM mics hanging from my
glasses and the D8 and wires in my hand...
:-))
fun taping stories....
Pete
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From: roy dripps <manfunkel@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DAT-heads Digest #456
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:41:39 -0700 (PDT)
>> Supposedly at
> >some point in the pregnancy, the doctor can do
> ultrasonics and you can hear
> >a heartbeat of the fetus. I have no idea of the
> technology they use or the
> >equipment for ultrasonics, but I would assume there
> are digital outs (or
> >audio RCAs). So my question is, what kind of output
> connections are used in
> >those devices and how would I hook up my M1 to
> that?
>
I guess you could always try modifying the famed
"sphincterphone" as described by Al Kooper, although
this might meet with some selfish objections from the
mom-to-be.
Roy Dripps
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From: Mark Mayhle <mark@mayhle.com>
Subject: U2 show length?
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:09:49 +0000 (GMT)
How long are U2 shows running?
Thanks,
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
From: "Gary Davis" <g@hoxnet.com>
Subject: Maxell Japan DVD-R's under 40 cents through Saturday
Reply-to: g@hoxnet.com
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:58:07 -0700
Made in Japan, Maxell 8X DVD-R (also DVD+R) discs under 40
cents at Staples and Office Depot, both in 50-packs under $20,
Staples is $1 cheaper. No rebate, no limit. With my Pioneer Hard
disk/DVD recorder, I can burn a full disk in under 10 minutes!
Be sure to look for "Made in Japan" above the barcode.
The importance of not using "junk" discs was brought to my
attention recently, when several off-brand discs a friend gave me 18
months ago all failed to play. Moral: even if you're giving away or
trading the discs, please don't use the junk brands if you can avoid
it. Even when I tried to find some non-Japan discs cheaper than
these Maxells, I couldn't!
--Gary
From: "William Schofield, III" <tradingcrazy@comcast.net>
Subject: Boston-area tapers (PLEASE READ)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:12:04 -0400
Hello all you Beantown folks :) There's a laundry list of shows that I
would like to know if anyone's taping. Here they are:
Mudhoney 04-23-2005 Middle East
Louis XIV 04-25-2005 Middle East
Audioslave 04-28-2005 Avalon
Velvet Revolver 05-03-2005 Mullins Center (UMass Amherst)
Weezer 05-08-2005 Avalon
I'm also looking to see if anyone taped the following:
Interpol 03-09-2005 Orpheum Theater
The Hives 07-23-2004 Avalon
Jo Dee Messina 04-14-2005 Lowell Memorial Auditorium
The Bravery 04-15-2005 Axis
QOTSA 03-28-2005 The Roxy
Trades are always welcome, and I have plenty to offer :) Drop me an
email if you can help me out. Thanks!
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