DAT-heads Digest #680, Volume #7 Fri, 2 Dec 05 14:50:00 EST Contents: ISO Any Tracy Chapman or Ben Taylor Live Audio from 2005 Tour ("tchapman livetrade") Re: re: grateful dead boycott? huh? (tesla69@threelobed.com) Re: grateful dead boycott? huh? (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Liam_Se=E1n_Kennedy?=) re: grateful dead boycott? huh? (Barry Welch) Brian Setzer Orchestra (Ryan Gear) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tchapman livetrade" Subject: ISO Any Tracy Chapman or Ben Taylor Live Audio from 2005 Tour Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:25:24 +0000 Hello everybody. I'm currently looking for any live shows from Tracy Chapman's current USA and European Tour. Also looking for any Ben Taylor Live shows. Ben Taylor supported Tracy throughout her USA tour and part of her European Tour. I have Live shows of Tracy Chapman and Ben Taylor (from the current tour) to trade in return. Let me know if you can trade. Thanks Website: Tracy Chapman Live Show Trade: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/tracychapman_live/index.jhtml ------------------------------ From: tesla69@threelobed.com Subject: Re: re: grateful dead boycott? huh? Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:51:27 -0800 (PST) > From: "Bob S." > the grateful dead tape trading community did well for a real long time as > that. a community. not a bunch of anonymous leechers off the great server > in > the sky. maybe its time to get to know the neighbors again. I'd like to 2nd this motion - and while I'm not a Dead trader (though I've never met one I didn't like) I'd personally like to see more people taping underground sounds now! The anonymity and sterility of the download "community" is one of my big criticisms of it; many of my best friends over the past decade have been tapers or connected to taping somehow (yeah I'm a geek but like I care anymore what anyone thinks)... cheers Jim looking for wacky stuff like fontanelle, text of light, other dimensions in music, tower recordings and adolph satan ------------------------------ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Liam_Se=E1n_Kennedy?= Subject: Re: grateful dead boycott? huh? Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:44:22 -0500 FWIW, the Dead brought back the audience tapes on archive.org, which is what I would personally be interested in. For those who are complaining about the anonymity of the downloading community, some of us could equally well have complained as such about the trading community. For instance I knew the other folks who were taping in the same locations, with similar equipment and likes as me-- why share the tapes with other folks with much less investment, many of whom mislabeled the tapes anyway? Well long story shortened, tapers shared the tapes and traders benefited, as did the tapers themselves. I object to the whining of the petition that was written threatening a "boycott of GDM." However, as far as having the music out there, the cat is out of the bag and there will be downloaders forever. Given that archive.org is responsive to requests from Bands to police content, its better for the GD than other avenues. If there had been something from a taper's perspective rejecting the archive.org decision, I would of signed it. I didn't want to write one and I didn't think the petition out there reflected what I would say to GDP. As an old trader, I see the value of such a site. I don't listen to much GD at all, but every once in a while I want to hear a certain song, recorded in a certain way (schoeps sub-cards, various omnis) and the archive is a lot more convenient than some of the BT sites where people seem to cut off seeds very quickly. And were I to trade with my old friends, they would either want a much larger trade than I have interest in, or are a lackadaisical as I am. I would much rather make a trade for jazz, or download a Van Morrison or Gordon Lightfoot or Buzz Busby show. Archive.org also has old .78s, which I have poked at occasionally (I can hear songs my mother used to sing to me). Lastly there are folks who go to a lot of effort to create communities within the download realm, so its a mistake to write them all off as "leechers." Even on archive.org some folks take the effort to write up reviews. I think it was good to see the GD ultimately opened up their mind about archive.org and technology is just going to keep changing and I am going to keep going with it, instead of thinking back to the days when we cloned all night in a hotel room. Sean ------------------------------ From: Barry Welch Subject: re: grateful dead boycott? huh? Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:47:02 -0600 Yeah.... What Bob S. said... Nice job Bob... Very well put.... I find most of the whinin' on most lists I subscribe to coming from a generation of Napster/Kazza kids who feel entitled to free music..... Long Live the Good Ol' GRATEFUL DEAD and their music... & Neil Young too -- "How can all those people Afford so many things? When I was young people wore What they had on." b Post Script: This just in... (interesting development) http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/12/01/gratefuldead.download.ap/index.html > >ive been getting email about this and read sean's post. as far as im >concerned, i really couldnt care less if they dont have all of their shows >available for download. >i dont know much about this downloading thing and dont really care to but >let me ask this - is there >any band that lets you download ALL of their shows? >and not audience tapes... >the band's tapes. >and if there is such a generous band, is the music available of the same >quality as the good old grateful dead? probably not. > >the grateful dead tape trading community did well for a real long time as >that. a community. not a bunch of anonymous leechers off the great server in >the sky. maybe its time to get to know the neighbors again. ------------------------------ From: Ryan Gear Subject: Brian Setzer Orchestra Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 03:15:33 -0500 I won tickets to see this show next week off of a local radio station. Anyone know if he has any taping policy? I'm just curious. Though I think it might be an all christmas song show, so I may just go to the show and drink. r. ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** To unsubscribe from this digest, please send email to dat-heads-unsubscribe@datheads.phish.net If your email address has changed, you may (optionally) send the message to dat-heads-unsubscribe-oldaddress=olddomain@datheads.phish.net and the old address will be removed. Problems or questions about a subscription should be addressed via these avenues and then if needed to dat-heads-owner@datheads.phish.net or postmaster@datheads.phish.net never the list itself You can submit a message for inclusion in the next digest via this address: Internet: dat-heads@datheads.phish.net Archives of DAT-Heads digests and related files are available on the DAT-Heads home page: http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ End of DAT-Heads Digest ******************************