DAT-heads Digest #685

Contents:
  FT: Depeche Mode - 2005-12-03 - Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ ("p.m.")
  Blue Cheer taping policy ("john e. bogus")
  re: why bother taping (David Stovall)
  Instudio Performances ("Clint Ryan")
  instudio performances ("Clint Ryan")
  Burn Rome Burn Tapers at Shubas Thursday ("Chris Black")
  FS: Portabrace AR-DAP1 (Rob DeGrado)
  Fiona Apple... ("Patrick Warner")
  torrents (Matthew Thayer)


From: "p.m." <asleepfordays@gmail.com>
Subject: FT: Depeche Mode - 2005-12-03 - Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:14:18 -0500

hi  : )

I taped Depeche Mode at the Borgata in Atlantic City on Saturday FOS
in good quality.

I am mainly looking for low gen, uncommon, Cure tapes.
Also have Cure Dat Master from this summer in good quality.

Thanx!
~Paul
asleepfordays@gmail.com



From: "john e. bogus" <bogusisme@surfbest.net>
Subject: Blue Cheer taping policy
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:28:38 -0500

Direct from both band personnel and manager:

***************************

Open audience taping is expressly allowed for noncommercial, personal use.
The usual courtesy rules apply.  No special restrictions on mic stands and
tripods.  Band requests copies of all video and audio sources before any
editing, instructions follow:

Mail copies of any recordings to:
Andrew (Duck) MacDonald
111 Ross Place
Auburn, NY 13021

Band reserves the right to use material obtained from tapers for commercial
purposes- if or should they decide to do so, please enclose the correct
spelling of your name and contact info so that you may be given proper
credit.  Please make any band copies "raw", or without any editing.  Please
pass all of this information along to all interested tapers.

******************************

Info for the upcoming Blue Cheer show is here:
http://www.bluecheer.info/bluecheernews.htm

Add them to the list of BTAT....

Yours Truly,
john e. bogus




From: David Stovall <da9ve.s@gmail.com>
Subject: re: why bother taping
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:17:37 -0500

> From: "Don Landis" <dlandis1@cox.net>
> I think DIME (and it's predecessors and related sites) has opened up the
> trading of live music to a lot more people. Not only that, but a lot of
> groups/artists that might not get wide exposure are instantly available t=
o
> thousands of people.

Agreed.  And,... yeah, just agreed, wholeheartedly.

> I belonged to a lot of trading groups and did the snail mail thing for
> years.

Ditto.  Traded well over a thousand discs through the mails, to and
from Italy, Australia, the Netherlands, Brasil, Germany, Sweden, the
UK, as well as the US and Canada

>You'll never see a vine get broken on DIME.

...though, to be fair, seeders sometimes disappear without notice
before they've shared out the complete torrent, and sometimes never
come back.

>You also won't download a
> show with the 2-second gap because a newbie didn't understand how to copy
> discs properly.

????!1?!1?!?1!??!!one??!

This is your one observation where I have to differ.  Have you
listened to much of what you've downloaded?  There are sets with
two-second gaps and (worse) sector boundary errors all OVER the place
on Dimeadozen.  Newbies are everywhere.  You take the bad with the
good - I wouldn't trade Dimeadozen.org away under anything but EXTREME
duress, but ya gotta face it - in bringing trading to a new level of
ease and effortlessness, it has attracted a LOT of,... enthusiasts who
don't know - nor WANT to know nor even realize they SHOULD know - the
first thing about PCM wav file formats, Red Book specifications, the
difference between DAT and MD, or even WHY MP3 is a problematic format
when a tracker site prefers to keep everything lossless if at all
possible.

> As for your other comments, well, I'll just say that I enjoy the
> democratization of sharing live music. I have always shared my recordings
> openly but also know that some tapers only share with other tapers. Contr=
ary
> to your claim, DIME has allowed many formerly limited shared performances=
 to
> be shared with many. It has most definitely led to a positive increase in
> the amount of material available -- to the masses, for the price of a fas=
t
> internet connection. What's wrong with that?

P2P/BitTorrent sharing has also carried the status of live music
recordings one step closer to being totally commoditized.  It's more
abstract than just trading X number of specific discs (or DATs) of
your own at someone else's choice for the like number of discs
carefully chosen by you from their list - and if you don't have
anything they want, you might not get what you want from theirs.

In BitTorrentWorld(TM), you accrue an abstract amount of upload credit
in general (at least on Dime and other tracker sites that enforce a
share ratio) simply by using your bandwidth to share files to anyone
who wants them, and have free reign to grab anything and everything
you want in return, no matter who it comes from.  It's no longer a
one-to-one trade, and since torrents are fleeting, you (or at least
where you =3D ME) grab anything that sounds on a whim as if it'd be
interesting, with much less pause to distinguish it from the rest of
the chaff.  Well, I exaggerate, but it's still true.

Not that everything available through BT is chaff or interchangeable.=20
There are a few star traders who have shared such a staggering
quantity of such obscure, rarefied gems (punkjazz, you know who you
are) that it's immediately obvious that I would not have been able to
accumulate a comparable collection of, say, live John Zorn projects,
in years of snail-mail slogging, whereas it's taken a few months of
keeping an eye out on Dime, and clicky-clicky-wheeeeeee.

There's also a ton of sharers on various mailing lists asking the
usual newbie-taper questions - what device to buy, what mics to use,
where and when to go stealth, how to go about the whole process of
taping and preparing a recording for upload,...  BitTorrent may make
taping superfluous for a lot of veterans who tape the same
Springsteen/Dylan/moe. shows that dozens of other tapers do, but for
mavericks such as I fancy myself, there are potentially a lot more
beginners with obscure tastes who, given the sudden insight into how
much live taping goes on, will now be inspired to be the only guy in
an audience of fifty taping Faun Fables or ...And You Will Know Us By
the Trail of Dead.  I can't find it in myself to gripe about that.

da9ve



From: "Clint Ryan" <cpr12378@hotmail.com>
Subject: Instudio Performances
Reply-To: "Clint Ryan" <cpr12378@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:26:51 -0600

I'm looking for radio websites that host instudio performances on their 
website.  I know about KEXP, KCRW, & MPR.  Are there any others?

 thanx,
-c



From: "Clint Ryan" <cpr12378@hotmail.com>
Subject: instudio performances
Reply-To: "Clint Ryan" <cpr12378@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:52:46 -0600

I'm looking for help in locating radio websites that host instudio 
performances on their website.  I know about KEXP, KCRW, NPR, and MPR.  Are 
there any others?

thanx,
-c 



From: "Chris Black" <chris_melas01@hotmail.com>
Subject: Burn Rome Burn Tapers at Shubas Thursday
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:57:08 -0500

Hello All,
Just a quick note to see if anyone would like to tape Burn Rome Burn 
tomorrow night (12/8) at Shuba's.  Info for the show can be found at 
http://www.burnromeburn.com/shows.html; and a few tracks from their soon to 
be released album can be heard at http://www.myspace.com/burnromeburn.
If you're interested in taping, please let me know and I may be able to get 
you in touch with Joe G. to iron out logistics.  Thanks in advance for 
anyone willing to tape!
All the Best,
Chris in DC





From: Rob DeGrado <m0e_r0n@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: Portabrace AR-DAP1
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:14:52 -0800 (PST)

Although I bought new 5 years ago, its still like new.
No scratches, rips or tears. Comes with the shoulder
strap (that I don't think I've ever used). You can buy
them new at B&H for $179.95+shipping

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=116710&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation

Looking to get $110.00 shipped. PM me if interested.


                
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From: "Patrick Warner" <pwarner@pswslaw.com>
Subject: Fiona Apple...
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:22:04 -0600

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From: Matthew Thayer <mattt317@yahoo.com>
Subject: torrents
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:02:19 -0800 (PST)

Hoppy Holidaze All... 

just got a fast dsl line, now playing on these
download site.... 

does anyone have a reccommendation beside Dime? which
I can't get on... 

and , can anyone point me in the direction of a easy
to use freeware DAO program to burn to disk? 

thanks for any help...

cheers, matt
trade list
http://www.geocities.com/mattt317//TapeList.html


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